Into the Night (07-29-2021)
fallacy fallacy. You fail to address the facts.
Entropy only applies to a closed or isolated system. Anyone can step outside on a sunny day and see that the Earth is not a closed system since it receives energy from the Sun. When a system is receiving energy from another system entropy can be reduced.You cannot trap thermal energy. You cannot reduce entropy...ever. You are again denying the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
When one system is receiving energy from another system than neither system is a closed or isolated system so you can not say entropy applies to only one system. Equilibrium is what in your estimation? Can equilibrium change if any other factors change?You cannot compare two different system as the same system. False equivalence fallacy. Denial of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You cannot reduce entropy...ever. You cannot use a colder gas to heat a warmer surface...ever.
Please explain how you can included all parts when radiation in the S-B law defines radiation as watts per meter squared. Meters squared can never be the same thing as meters cubed. If you include the land as a surface then you can't claim S-B only applies to the system as a whole since S-B clearly states that radiation is based on the temperature of the surface where the radiation is occurring. A steel ball that is 300 degrees on the inside and 400 degrees on the surface will have the exact same radiation as a steel ball that is 500 degrees on the surface and 400 degrees on the outside. The only difference is how quickly one cools over time as compared to the other. At the moment they both have an exterior temperature of 400 degrees they will both have the same radiation.WRONG. ALL surfaces are considered. The land, the oceans, the air, etc. You cannot pick and choose surfaces. Denial of the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
Radiation can only be stated as watts per meter squared. Any attempt to do otherwise is a violation of the S-B law. It is you that is violating the law by trying to define the earth as a single black body but then not restricting yourself to the squared meters that make up the exterior of the black body.
Gobbledygook. what raw data did I fail to use? What math error did I make? What variance did I fail to specify? What margin of error did I fail to calculate? What boundary did I fail to specify? What random number did I use? You failure to specify any of what you claim proves you are talking out of your ass and know nothing about the laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.Math errors: Failure to use unbiased raw data. Failure to specify variance. Failure to calculate margin of error. Failure to specify boundary. Failure to select by randN. Failure to normalize by paired randR. Failure to public margin of error value.
You have failed to show were I used statistical mathematics let alone where I denied it.You deny statistical mathematics.
You have failed to show were I used probability mathematics let alone where I denied it.You are now denying probability mathematics as well. It is not a casino.
Lot's of garbage from you with no support of your claims. Show where I used delta as a base. Show were I used any random numbers. Show where I sued probability math or statistical math. Show where I predicted anything. Show where I did a calculation let alone failed to include a margin of error. Your nonsense is nothing but nonsense.Base rate fallacy. Math errors: use of delta as base. Failure to provide unbiased raw data. Failure to select by randN. Failure to normalize by paired randR. Use of probability math as statistical math. Attempt to predict using probability. Attempt to predict using statistical math. Failure to declare variance. Failure to calculate margin of error. Failure to publish margin of error in the summary.
My using the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann laws correctly is not denial. I used no math in my answer so your claims about denial are ridiculous until you show what math you think I used.You deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and statistical and probability mathematics, and random number mathematics.
Fallacy fallacy - You are unable to show any errors on my part so have resorted to simply claiming I used a fallacy without providing any evidence.Such is your religion.
Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
Some simple things where you have failed when it comes to your claims.
Entropy always increases in closed or isolated systems. The Earth is not a closed or isolated system since it constantly receives energy from the Sun and constantly radiates energy.
Stefan-Boltzmann deals with radiation from a black body. Radiation can only occur on the surface of the body and is expressed in watts per meter squared. Your attempt to include the oceans, land and atmosphere will claiming the Earth is a body violates S-B.
You claim I used math but did not point to my math or point so specific errors in my math. Correcting faulty math is easy. One need only show the errors in the calculations. Your failure to correct any calculations point to your claims being false.
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AProudLefty (07-29-2021)
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AProudLefty (07-29-2021)
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gfm7175 (07-30-2021)
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
Lie.
Correct. That simply means the system chosen must remain consistent. You cannot consider any energy source or energy sink outside the system.
Yes it is.
The Sun-Earth-space system is another system. It is also closed.
You cannot consider any energy source or sink that is outside any system. Entropy can never be reduced. You are denying the 2nd law of thermodynamics again and making a false equivalence fallacy.
You cannot consider any energy source or sink outside a chosen system. You are trying to compare two different systems as if they were the same system in a false equivalence in order to try to deny the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Irrelevant.
Gas has a surface. The radiating surface is each molecule of the gas.
You are denying the Stefan-Boltzmann law again. You are attempting to remove the emissivity constant.
Attempted force of negative proof fallacy.
RQAA.
Attempted force of negatived proof fallacies.
RQAA.
Already did. RQAA.
1st law of thermodynamics:
E(t+1) = E(t)-U where 'E' is energy, 't' is time, and 'U' is work. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
2nd law of thermodynamics:
e(t+1) >= e(t) where 'e' is entropy (the randomness of a system) and 't' is time.
Stefan-Boltzmann law:
r = C * e * t^4 where 'r' is emitted light in watts per square area (in a gas it's the area of each molecule), 'C' is a natural constant (converting the relation to our units of measure), 'e' is a measured constant called 'emissivity' or how well the surface radiates as opposed to reflects, expressed as a percentage against an ideal 'black body' (emissivity of 100%), and 't' it temperature in deg K.
All systems in the observable universe, including the entire observable universe, is closed. The system chosen must remain consistent. You cannot compare two different system as if they are the same system. No energy source of sink from outside a chosen system may be considered.
You didn't use statistical math, but you claimed a value that can only come from a statistical summary. You also failed to declare the margin of error, as is required by statistical math. You also tried to make a prediction with it (not possible). RQAA.
You didn't, but you claimed a probability, which can only come from probability math, and tried to make a prediction with it (not possible). RQAA.
You tried to claim a 'warming' with no base. RQAA.
When you quoted them.
You didn't. That's my point. You just claimed values without using the math required to generate them.
Already did. RQAA.
RQAA.
You are denying each of these laws. I have given to you yet again.
RQAA.
Attempted negative proof fallacy (proof by void).
Attempted force of negative proof fallacy.
WRONG. Entropy can also stay the same. See the 2nd law of thermodynamics which I again provided above.
Yes it is.
The Sun-Earth-space system is another closed system. You cannot compare two different systems as the same system.
WRONG. See the Stefan-Boltzmann law I have given to you yet again. RQAA. You are trying to eliminate the emissivity constant.
You can include the oceans. It has a surface. You can include the atmosphere. It is a gas. ALL of it radiates. Indeed, one claim of the Church of Global Warming is that CO2 is radiating light back to the surface, warming it (violating the 2nd law of thermodynamics). You can't heat a warmer surface using a colder gas....ever. You might as well try to make hot coffee using ice.
RQAA.
Math is more than arithmetic dumbass.
Attempt of negative proof fallacy.
You cannot change the laws of physics by eliminating or adding terms to the equations. You cannot compare two different systems as the same system. All systems are closed, even the system of the entire observable universe.
If you choose Earth as the system, you cannot consider any energy source (like the Sun) or any energy sink (like space) outside that system. In that system, variations in temperature will tend to a uniform temperature. Entropy increases.
If you choose the Sun-Earth-space system, you cannot consider any energy source (like the stars) or any energy sink (interstellar space) outside that system. In that system, you can consider a temperature of the Earth caused by the interaction between the Sun and space surrounding Earth, but measuring what it is becomes the problem. It simply is not possible with the equipment we have, nor is it possible to construct the equipment required to even begin a statistical analysis of this type. Further, statistical math cannot predict. Entropy increases.
If you choose a refrigerator in a house as the system, you cannot consider any energy source (like a power plant or the fuel for it), or any energy sink (such as weather outside) outside that system. The refrigerator reaches room temperature. Entropy increases.
If you choose a refrigerator-power plant system (and the fuel for the power plant), entropy increases. You cannot compare the refrigerator-power plant system as the same system as the refrigerator and house alone.
You cannot compare the Earth as a system with the Sun-Earth-space system.
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
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The earth is a closed system because only energy is naturally transferred outside the atmosphere. ... All systems inside the Earth, on the other hand, are open systems as both energy and matter can be transferred between the systems and their surroundings.
https://realizeengineering.blog/2014...oes-it-matter/
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Valid point. Even with the "see no evil" monkey, liberals often see evil all around them, even where there isn't any (yet their own evils get swept under the rug).
My reasoning behind the monkey emojis is rather based in the "face value" graphics themselves... liberals oft have their hands over their eyes and ears , pretending to not know things, pretending to not see things, wishing to keep the truth suppressed (shhhhhh!)
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
gfm7175 (07-30-2021)
"The atmosphere is among the factors that determines the Earth's atmosphere." --ZenMode
"Donald has failed in almost every endeavor he has attempted. " --floridafan
"Abortion is not a moral issue. " --BidenPresident
"Propaganda can also be factual." --Flash
"Even after being vaccinated, you shed virus particles." --Jerome
"no slavery is forcing another into labor" -archives
"Evs are much safer from fires" -- Nordberg
"Abortion has killed no one." -- LurchAddams
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