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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    "The United States Army plans to fund the construction of a Rare Earths processing facility to secure the domestic supply of minerals that are used to make military weapons and electronics, Reuters reported. This will be the first financial investment by the US military into commercial-scale Rare Earths production since the Manhattan Project to build the first atomic bomb during World War II, the report said."
    https://indianexpress.com/article/ex...ir-processing/
    Just treat private mining concerns like you would a nuclear power plant. All you would need is private security companies that are specially trained and regulated by the government and have access to any specialized equipment needed to secure the site. Everyone gets vetted according to federal regs and private industry gets to do their thing. “State owned enterprises” are ominous sounding, and smell of communism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    ... and the Election was stolen from Trump. (you should probably just stick with Jesus)
    That it probably was. The election of 2020 faulted. You just continue to ignore the evidence, no matter how many times it is presented to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes View Post
    Just treat private mining concerns like you would a nuclear power plant. All you would need is private security companies that are specially trained and regulated by the government and have access to any specialized equipment needed to secure the site. Everyone gets vetted according to federal regs and private industry gets to do their thing. “State owned enterprises” are ominous sounding, and smell of communism.
    Cal: ""State owned enterprises” are ominous sounding, and smell of communism."
    Jack: Yes. No one ever called NASA a 'State Owned Enterprise'. Too controversial.

    The 'Rare Earth' issue has come up. It's a critical resource that the US needs to compete in today's world. So it's a perfect issue to ask: Free Market ... or Government Subsidy?
    Some of our Righties ONLY believe in 'Small Government and Private Enterprise'.
    'Rare Earth' puts the Righties on the spot. In their world:
    1. Government would be small and not interfere.
    2. Private Enterprise would dictate which business would survive.
    Using Logic of the Righties with Rare Earth Metals, would mean China would dominate the US in the years to come.

    Using pragmatism, common sense, and what everybody has always done, the Country protects itself by subsidizing the Critical Industry.
    Government DOES interfere in the Market.
    Government DOES use Central Planning to protect itself.

    Righties will dance and scream, saying it's wrong and make it go away, but it's the Reality. What is funny, is it's usually the 'Make America Great' crowd that denies this fact of Making America Great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    That it probably was. The election of 2020 faulted. You just continue to ignore the evidence, no matter how many times it is presented to you.

    I have no problem with sticking with Jesus.



    You live in your own Fantasy World.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Cal: ""State owned enterprises” are ominous sounding, and smell of communism."
    Jack: Yes. No one ever called NASA a 'State Owned Enterprise'. Too controversial.

    The 'Rare Earth' issue has come up. It's a critical resource that the US needs to compete in today's world. So it's a perfect issue to ask: Free Market ... or Government Subsidy?
    Some of our Righties ONLY believe in 'Small Government and Private Enterprise'.
    'Rare Earth' puts the Righties on the spot. In their world:
    1. Government would be small and not interfere.
    2. Private Enterprise would dictate which business would survive.
    Using Logic of the Righties with Rare Earth Metals, would mean China would dominate the US in the years to come.

    Using pragmatism, common sense, and what everybody has always done, the Country protects itself by subsidizing the Critical Industry.
    Government DOES interfere in the Market.
    Government DOES use Central Planning to protect itself.

    Righties will dance and scream, saying it's wrong and make it go away, but it's the Reality. What is funny, is it's usually the 'Make America Great' crowd that denies this fact of Making America Great.
    Fascism and communism do not make any country great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post


    You live in your own Fantasy World.
    Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself again. You can't make the evidence go away by laughing at it or ignoring it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself again. You can't make the evidence go away by laughing at it or ignoring it.
    The 'evidence' is there. You saying things like Black isn't Green doesn't promote your Argument, if you have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    So ... what happened to 'Free Markets' and the Mantra of Capitalism?
    Isn't the Right-wing Conservatives always complaining about 'Government Interference'?
    Or ... is that just some bullshit line that Conservatives hide behind?

    Weren't you the English Bloke that had his knickers in a twist over 'Fishing Rights'?
    Jack you're truly incorrigible, are you just trolling? National security overrides free markets, how hard is that to understand? Oh and what the fuck does fishing have to do rare earth mining?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Jack you're truly incorrigible, are you just trolling? National security overrides free markets, how hard is that to understand?
    I agree with the "National security overrides free markets". The Right-wing Toadies here will argue that you are wrong. They have a Religious Devotion to 'Capitalism'. They will spin and turn, dancing about, screaming 'Capitalism is the Answer'. Oblivious to Reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Jack you're truly incorrigible, are you just trolling? National security overrides free markets, how hard is that to understand?
    It hasn't since we got NAFTA, and the WTO.

    In any event, do any of you know how many Rare Earth Mines there are in the US? 3 that I know of, ad more to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    So ... what happened to 'Free Markets' and the Mantra of Capitalism?
    Isn't the Right-wing Conservatives always complaining about 'Government Interference'?
    Or ... is that just some bullshit line that Conservatives hide behind?

    Weren't you the English Bloke that had his knickers in a twist over 'Fishing Rights'?
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    It hasn't since we got NAFTA, and the WTO.

    In any event, do any of you know how many Rare Earth Mines there are in the US? 3 that I know of, ad more to come.

    https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/...ssons-learned/
    There is only Mountain Pass in production and they send everything to China to be processed. China also uses all the production from that mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    There is only Mountain Pass in production and they send everything to China to be processed. China also uses all the production from that mine.
    SMH
    We are on a path to kowtow to China. what blithering idiots decided to export our lone source? to China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The 'evidence' is there.
    Which is what I've been saying.
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    You saying things like Black isn't Green doesn't promote your Argument, if you have one.
    Nonsense irrelevancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    There is only Mountain Pass in production and they send everything to China to be processed. China also uses all the production from that mine.
    Guess you should have read the article. Try reading this one:

    "Rebuilding a domestic supply chain

    Domestic efforts to extract rare earths are taking place in states including Wyoming, Texas and California, but the recent past provides cautionary tales, such as Molycorp, which reopened the longstanding Mountain Pass mine in California in the early 2000s, only to go bankrupt in 2015.

    MP Materials bought the mine and restarted production in 2017. The Las Vegas-headquartered company is vying to restore the domestic rare earths supply chain from mine to magnet, and is hedging its bets on neodymium-praseodymium, with the hope of becoming the lowest-cost producer.

    In recent years, the Las Vegas-headquartered company received a myriad of grants and contracts from the Department of Defense and Department of Energy to research and improve domestic capabilities. One of the company’s largest customers is Shenghe Resources, a Chinese company responsible for processing, distributing and refining, which also owns a stake in the company. The connection raised some concerns among DOE scientists, according to Reuters, but government funding has continued for a rare earths separation facility.

    Shenghe Resources distributes the concentrate produced at Mountain Pass to refiners in Asia, “capabilities that simply do not exist at scale in the West,” according to an MP Materials spokesman.

    The company plans to reinvest the free cash flow generated from operations into expanding MP’s U.S. capabilities, including a restoration of domestic refining capability at Mountain Pass by next year. Ultimately, the company, which went public last year through a SPAC merger, plans to “restore the full rare earth supply chain” to the U.S., the spokesman said, including refining and separation, and magnet-making by 2025, as the domestic electric vehicle market ramps up production.

    “This is happening and I think it’s happening much much faster than I think anybody had anticipated,” said Ryan Corbett, the company’s chief financial officer. “We can compete and we’re going to continue to do it.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/17/the-...th-metals.html
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