'Communism' or 'America First' ? RE: Rare Earth Metals.

**Into the Night** · 07-28-2021, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

same with solar panels

Solar panels are manufactured primarily by Panasonic, in Japan.

**Into the Night** · 07-28-2021, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye10

Here is one for the record books:

"Dont worry about the Chinese....they cant innovate".

They can, but not well. They are better at copying something.

**AProudLefty** · 07-28-2021, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Into the Night

They can, but not well. They are better at copying something.

See? You just made sense again. Why don't you do more of that often?

**Jack** · 07-28-2021, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Into the Night

There is no industry of rare earth mining in the United States. If the military wants to mine their own rare earths, let them. As far as private mining of rare earths in the States, fascism killed that.

Hey, Rip Van Winkle, it's time for your nap.

**Jack** · 07-28-2021, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Omar

Consequently, Chinese communists will have us firmly by the gonads. It will be the same deal if/when we convert to electric autos—car batteries come from China.

It will make us miss the Saudis and OPEC.

... unless the US becomes independent of the Chinese and their Rare Earth domination. So, do you support a 'National Champion' approach to this, where the Government 'subsidizes' a sector of the Economy? You know, 'State Capitalism'.

"National champions
National champions are corporations which are technically private businesses but due to governmental policy are ceded a dominant position in a national economy. In this system, these large organizations are expected not only to seek profit but also to "advance the interests of the nation"; the government sets policies which favor these organizations.Wikipedia"

**dukkha** · 07-28-2021, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Into the Night

Solar panels are manufactured primarily by Panasonic, in Japan.

China is number 1. according to the the USA is number 2 -but residential
https://www.investopedia.com/article...lar-energy.asp

**dukkha** · 07-28-2021, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

... unless the US becomes independent of the Chinese and their Rare Earth domination. So, do you support a 'National Champion' approach to this, where the Government 'subsidizes' a sector of the Economy? You know, 'State Capitalism'.

"National champions
National champions are corporations which are technically private businesses but due to governmental policy are ceded a dominant position in a national economy. In this system, these large organizations are expected not only to seek profit but also to "advance the interests of the nation"; the government sets policies which favor these organizations.Wikipedia"

seems the problem is government regs..the opposite of which you want

**Jack** · 07-28-2021, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

seems the problem is government regs..the opposite of which you want

You are missing the point of 'National Champions'.
Do the Chinese have 'regs' on their SOE (National Champions)?

You, and your 'Pure Capitalists', call everything 'Communism' when the Government steps in to Promote America.
When I mention 'Central Planning', you go ballistic. You think the 'Market' will dictate the Future.
You fail to see China using Central Planning to Promote China and their Autocratic Government as 'The Future'.
In my view, the U.S. can use Central Planning as a Way to Promote America and Western Democracy.
You seem to be stuck in a Religious Devotion to Pure Capitalism as The Answer.

Rare Earth Metals should be an easy Test for you. Opt for the 'Market' to dictate Events, or use Central Planning and Government Subsidy (National Champion) to ensure Western Democracy and America prevails.

(naturally, I expect you and Darth to begin stuttering: 'but, but, but that's communism')

**cancel2 2022** · 07-28-2021, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

Yeah. So is Oil. We've sucked off the Saudi King and the 6,000 Princes/Princesses for 50 years, do you want to do the same with the Chinese Leadership?

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**cancel2 2022** · 07-28-2021, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

You are missing the point of 'National Champions'.
Do the Chinese have 'regs' on their SOE (National Champions)?

You, and your 'Pure Capitalists', call everything 'Communism' when the Government steps in to Promote America.
When I mention 'Central Planning', you go ballistic. You think the 'Market' will dictate the Future.
You fail to see China using Central Planning to Promote China and their Autocratic Government as 'The Future'.
In my view, the U.S. can use Central Planning as a Way to Promote America and Western Democracy.
You seem to be stuck in a Religious Devotion to Pure Capitalism as The Answer.

Rare Earth Metals should be an easy Test for you. Opt for the 'Market' to dictate Events, or use Central Planning and Government Subsidy (National Champion) to ensure Western Democracy and America prevails.

(naturally, I expect you and Darth to begin stuttering: 'but, but, but that's communism')

You love sticking labels on things, Jack. Did the US put the Manhattan Project out to private tender? I see this as little different unless you just want to lick Chicom arse from now on.

**cancel2 2022** · 07-28-2021, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by AProudLefty

You don't like the truth, do you?

**Bulletbob** · 07-28-2021, 08:59 PM

Australia will be mining rare earth elements and sending them to texas if I recall right where processing plants will be constructed.kinda old news .this was worked out under the trump addmin

**cancel2 2022** · 07-28-2021, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

You are missing the point of 'National Champions'.
Do the Chinese have 'regs' on their SOE (National Champions)?

You, and your 'Pure Capitalists', call everything 'Communism' when the Government steps in to Promote America.
When I mention 'Central Planning', you go ballistic. You think the 'Market' will dictate the Future.
You fail to see China using Central Planning to Promote China and their Autocratic Government as 'The Future'.
In my view, the U.S. can use Central Planning as a Way to Promote America and Western Democracy.
You seem to be stuck in a Religious Devotion to Pure Capitalism as The Answer.

Rare Earth Metals should be an easy Test for you. Opt for the 'Market' to dictate Events, or use Central Planning and Government Subsidy (National Champion) to ensure Western Democracy and America prevails.

(naturally, I expect you and Darth to begin stuttering: 'but, but, but that's communism')

Jack, question for you. What president let the Mountain Pass mine go bankrupt, any idea?

**Micawber** · 07-28-2021, 10:38 PM

India boiler room call center pimping penny stocks says what? next.

**Jack** · 07-28-2021, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Primavera

You love sticking labels on things, Jack. Did the US put the Manhattan Project out to private tender? I see this as little different unless you just want to lick Chicom arse from now on.

I think we are both on the same side of this issue. You seem pragmatic and practical. I believe Dukkha and Darth are both 'Pure Capitalists'. They have more of a Religious Devotion to what they perceive as Free Markets, Open Markets.

Dukkha is from Florida, but is probably unaware of what subsidies the Sugar Industry gets from Government.

"Big Sugar Has a Sweet Tooth for Subsidies"
https://fee.org/articles/big-sugar-h...for-subsidies/

--->"On top of price supports, the government enforces a system of tariffs and quotas on imported sugar."