This isn’t helping to convince the hesitant

[Hawkeye10]

The killing off of 600,000 Trumptopians would be good for America ... good for Planet Earth. I don't see the problem here. Am I missing something?

Humanity.

[Jack]

Humanity.

Let Freedom Ring, you Commie Bastard!

[dukkha]

Interesting exchange lol.

‘Why do we have to wear masks if we’ve been vaccinated?’ ‘Because the data suggests you need to keep wearing them’.

Notice that really doesn’t answer the question—and it’s a good question. Get vaccinated against Hep B, you’re done with Hep B. Nobody with a Polio vaccine worries about Polio etc. But these vaccines are different, apparently.

There’s actually an easy explanation and it seems rather obvious. Maybe it’s because mRNA vaccines aren’t really vaccines but preventative treatments. Treatments lessen the risk associated with an infection and that’s what the mRNA ‘vaccines’ seem best at.

These treatments are also specific for only the spike protein on the Covid virus so when a variant pops up with a ‘tweaked’ spike protein then the antibodies produced in response to mRNA treatments don’t ‘recognize’ the new viral antigen. So, the vaccinated have to go back to masking [however pointless, but that’s another debate].

As one of the hesitants I don’t find this to be very convincing. The data *and therefore the science* indicates I have over a 99% chance of surviving an encounter with the Bat Lady’s CCP bug. If/when my body does encounter it [assuming it hasn’t already] the antibodies produced in response are at least theoretically broader spectrum and so less likely to be ‘tricked’ by any evolutionary changes in specific spike proteins.

Now, back to my mopping.

disagree. vaxxes arent treatments,they are a prophylactic

Yes the spike changes, but the antibodies seen to do a good job of blocking viral loading even in variants

according the the CDC ( the latest story) is mask are supposed to be worn to prevent transmission
FROM VAXXED PEOPLE..I kid you not.. that's not even "sciencey" it's just stoopid

If you are vaxxed - unless you are a very small minority that get "breathru" symptoms you are not spreading

The CDC is a laughing stock- i cant help but think they are politicized to look like Biden is "doing something"

the antibodies produced in response are at least theoretically broader spectrum and so less likely to be ‘tricked’ by any evolutionary changes in specific spike proteins.

good logic

[Darth Omar]

What should the ruling "elite" do? They have a vaccine which could literally end COVID next week.

But we get all kinds of threads like this.

No it wouldn’t it lol.

There’s way too many breakthrough cases and they’re already talking about boosters. Here, read about highly vaccinated Israel and how they’re dealing with their spike.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haa...ths-1.10038595

[Concart]

I keep hearing this bullshit about breakthroughs mean the vaccine doesn't work. It's simple math. Let's say I'm playing darts, and I have a 5% chance of hitting the bullseye. First few darts that get tossed, I probably won't hit the target. But if I get to toss 40 or 50 darts I'll hit the damn thing eventually.

My 95% protection means I had a five percent chance that I could experience a breakthrough if I got exposed. In Florida, the darts are being tossed non-stop. More virus = more breakthroughs. This isn't fucking rocket science. It's middle school math. Why can't they perform the basic skills.

[BartenderElite]

No it wouldn’t it lol.

There’s way too many breakthrough cases and they’re already talking about boosters. Here, read about highly vaccinated Israel and how they’re dealing with their spike.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haa...ths-1.10038595

Looks like you win, then.

The whole "virus gonna virus" thing ensures we'll have COVID for many years.

Way to go!

[Darth Omar]

You mean they learned things as they went along?

Tell me, Darth. What's the point of a fence-straddling post like this? Are you DISCOURAGING vaccinations? Are you discouraging masks? Should people not do anything at all?

What's the grand plan here, science-man?

I’ve said a hundred times that people should make their own decisions about the vax *and I’ve encouraged* people in the at risk population to take the jab. But I’m not going to sit here and put a happy face on what’s happening with them.

[dukkha]

No it wouldn’t it lol.

There’s way too many breakthrough cases and they’re already talking about boosters. Here, read about highly vaccinated Israel and how they’re dealing with their spike.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haa...ths-1.10038595

Regarding a possible third vaccine shot, Ash said a decision would be made in the coming days.

what? more like a shot in the dark.

I have antibodies STILL from April
I have memory T-cells should any cells get infected when the antibodies wear off

My body DOES NOT NEED AND CANNOT USE A 3rd shot!! not for at least 8 months

Of course a breakthru with symptoms is different (possible transmissions), but rare.. certainly no reason for a 3rd shot
If that happens then use therapeutics

[AProudLefty]

The masks are to stop spreading the virus. Just like with flu.

If the unvaccinated people don't want others to wear masks around them, then fine. That's on them. Not our fault if they get sick.

[AProudLefty]

what? more like a shot in the dark.

I have antibodies STILL from April
I have memory T-cells should any cells get infected when the antibodies wear off

My body DOES NOT NEED AND CANNOT USE A 3rd shot!! not for at least 8 months

Of course a breakthru with symptoms is different (possible transmissions), but rare.. certainly no reason for a 3rd shot
If that happens then use therapeutics

Fun fact: Three shots were required for Polio virus.

[dukkha]

The masks are to stop spreading the virus. Just like with flu.

try to keep up. The CDC now recommends mask for THOSE ALREADY VAXXED..
which is stoopid

[AProudLefty]

try to keep up. The CDC now recommends mask for THOSE ALREADY VAXXED..
which is stoopid

If you have actually read my posts, I do understand that and I explained the reason.

[dukkha]

Fun fact: Three shots were required for Polio virus.

differerent virus and the 3rd shot was 6-12 months later
I dont know anyone that has been vaxxed for 6 months,muchless 12

It might be necessary later on, but it's a mater of timing

[AProudLefty]

differerent virus and the 3rd shot was 6-12 months later
I dont know anyone that has been vaxxed for 6 months,muchless 12

It might be necessary later on, but it's a mater of timing

For me I am due for 2nd shot in 4 weeks.

[Darth Omar]

try to keep up. The CDC now recommends mask for THOSE ALREADY VAXXED..
which is stoopid

In spite of the fact several states had their numbers bottom out *after* they dropped their mask mandates. Remember the ‘Neanderthals’? There was also a 2015 study on the efficacy of masks in a clinical setting and there was no conclusive evidence they did squat. I’m not posting it again because it’s pointless.