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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Well your OP is about the clash between Einstein and Bohr.

    Then you talked about the reality being objective or subjective.

    I said both are correct at the same time.

    I think the dichotomy of the subjective and objective is misleading. I mean, it is not a real conflict.
    Too often people think objective means objectively true. And subjective means only from my perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I think the dichotomy of the subjective and objective is misleading. I mean, it is not a real conflict.
    Too often people think objective means objectively true. And subjective means only from my perspective.
    You are talking about philosophy.

    The OP is talking about the dichotomy between Einstein and Bohr (or any other physicists who opposed him).

    ALL OF THEM ARE CORRECT.

    That is my point.

    Unifying theories of the universe cannot be possible because ALL OF THEM are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    You are talking about philosophy.

    The OP is talking about the dichotomy between Einstein and Bohr (or any other physicists who opposed him).

    ALL OF THEM ARE CORRECT.

    That is my point.

    Unifying theories of the universe cannot be possible because ALL OF THEM are correct.

    Bohr and Heisenberg were philosophers. That made them good scientists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Bohr and Heisenberg were philosophers. That made them good scientists.
    Newton and Einstein too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Newton and Einstein too.
    Einstein not so much. Newton, I never saw his philosophical writings. He talked theology, philosophy not so much.
    Einstein was a rather conventional thinker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    You are talking about philosophy.

    The OP is talking about the dichotomy between Einstein and Bohr (or any other physicists who opposed him).

    ALL OF THEM ARE CORRECT.

    That is my point.

    Unifying theories of the universe cannot be possible because ALL OF THEM are correct.
    I think they work exceedingly well and have excellent explanatory power. Whether they are actually correct is another matter.
    The rate of expansion of the universe and the hypothesis of dark energy and dark matter suggest either there might be something wrong with classical Newtonian mechanics and relatively, or our standard model of particle physics is really missing something.

    General relativity was really the last theory of classical science. The hope is that a quantum theory of gravity will replace it, resulting in a grand unification of the fundamental forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Hence the objective/subjective problem going all the way back to Aristotle and some other Greek philosophers.

    Fun fact: one of those Greek philosophers brought up the idea of atoms.

    Why those ideas didn't pick up sooner is another topic.
    I read a book on the history of science last year -- although known to the Medievals, the atomism of Democritus was not favored nor did it have much influnce in Europe up until at least the Renaissance for several reasons:

    Democritus was arguably the world's first atheist and his atomism was unpalatable to medieval Christian Europe for moral and aesthetic reasons -- they could not fathom that the only reality which existed consisted of small indivisible particles and the void.

    Aristotle forcibly rejected atomism, and medieval Christian Europe put the authority of Aristotle on a pedestal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    The only thing Einstein was correct in unifying both models/theories was the speed of light.
    Thanks to James Clerk Maxwell's work on electromagnetism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Thanks to James Clerk Maxwell's work on electromagnetism.
    That was a stroke of genius. Those 4 equations are what made everything possible today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    That was a stroke of genius. Those 4 equations are what made everything possible today.
    A slight thread drift.
    Since the discovery of quarks, C squared has to vary, making it impossible for the speed of light to be constant. General relativity will be replaced sometime this century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    A slight thread drift.
    Since the discovery of quarks, C squared has to vary, making it impossible for the speed of light to be constant. General relativity will be replaced sometime this century.
    Explain. The speed of light is what explains everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Explain. The speed of light is what explains everything.
    Space is not empty, it's filled with quarks that have a random amount of energy that affects the speed of light. General relativity needs to be modified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Space is not empty, it's filled with quarks that have a random amount of energy that affects the speed of light. General relativity needs to be modified.
    Explain more. Without the medium, the speed of light remains the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Explain more. Without the medium, the speed of light remains the same.
    I'm not smart enough to explain it. I will find a link that theorizes that matter causes C squared to vary.

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