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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The U.S. knows something about the research conducted at the WIV, because American taxpayer dollars helped fund it. This was the crux of last week’s dispute between Sen. Rand Paul and Anthony Fauci, who had cast doubt on the lab-leak hypothesis in the past. In their latest bout, the Kentucky Senator accused Dr. Fauci of lying to Congress, a federal crime, when he said this year that the National Institutes of Health had never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan. The exchange descended into shouting.

    The reality is complicated. The NIH gave almost $600,000 to the WIV through a nonprofit over several years to study bat coronaviruses. Mr. Paul cited a 2017 paper from WIV researchers that included experiments combining parts of viruses to study how to better infect human cells. But Dr. Fauci said the project was “judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain-of-function.”

    This might be technically true, as a 2014 federal government definition describes such research as that which “increase the ability of infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility.” But some scientists think the government definition is too limited and can allow de facto gain-of-function research to bypass safety protocols. Rutgers molecular biologist Richard Ebright says the NIH-funded work “was—unequivocally—gain-of-function research.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/anthony...bshare_twitter
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    Rand Paul was right, of course. Engineering a virus to where it is able to infect human cells IS gain of function research.

    But look at the Fauci definition of GOF research: “increase the ability of infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility.

    If your brain has a logical bent to it, you might recognize that as a distinction without a difference and at least one [uncompromised] and respected molecular biologist would agree with you. If you add a widget to a mouse trap so that it traps chickens, the mouse trap has *gained function*.

    In principle, the definition of GOF is that ridiculously straightforward. Similarly, when virologists add a spike protein that enables a non-transmissible virus to enter human cells—and become at least theoretically transmissible, THAT is GOF research.

    Clearly, the government definition of GOF was ‘engineered’ to provide cover [in the form of plausible deniability] for Fauci and some others who have been collaborating with Chinese virologists on *gain of function research* for years. And they did this in spite of an Obama era ban on GOF research. Did Dr. Baric or other virologists teach Chinese virologists any lab techniques? Did they share gene splicing technology with them?

    No wonder they wanted to bury the lab origin theory. This stinks.
    So now we got Fauci "collaborating with Chinese" to produce Covid?

    Just Fauci hatred, the right has been at it ever since he had the courage to publicly correct Trump when Trump was downplaying the virus and recommending dubious solutions, just never got over fact that Fauci embarrassed Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Not really, the WSJ is a good source, but it is a Murdoch vehicle, and this is an opinion piece
    It’s the WSJ Morning Editorial Report and no author is listed.

    And Derp, on the opinion piece. Of course it’s an opinion piece, what else could it be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    So now we got Fauci "collaborating with Chinese" to produce Covid?

    Just Fauci hatred, the right has been at it ever since he had the courage to publicly correct Trump when Trump was downplaying the virus and recommending dubious solutions, just never got over fact that Fauci embarrassed Trump
    Fauci is a Chinese Communist. makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The U.S. knows something about the research conducted at the WIV, because American taxpayer dollars helped fund it. This was the crux of last week’s dispute between Sen. Rand Paul and Anthony Fauci, who had cast doubt on the lab-leak hypothesis in the past. In their latest bout, the Kentucky Senator accused Dr. Fauci of lying to Congress, a federal crime, when he said this year that the National Institutes of Health had never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan. The exchange descended into shouting.

    The reality is complicated. The NIH gave almost $600,000 to the WIV through a nonprofit over several years to study bat coronaviruses. Mr. Paul cited a 2017 paper from WIV researchers that included experiments combining parts of viruses to study how to better infect human cells. But Dr. Fauci said the project was “judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain-of-function.”

    This might be technically true, as a 2014 federal government definition describes such research as that which “increase the ability of infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility.” But some scientists think the government definition is too limited and can allow de facto gain-of-function research to bypass safety protocols. Rutgers molecular biologist Richard Ebright says the NIH-funded work “was—unequivocally—gain-of-function research.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/anthony...bshare_twitter
    ______________

    Rand Paul was right, of course. Engineering a virus to where it is able to infect human cells IS gain of function research.

    But look at the Fauci definition of GOF research: “increase the ability of infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility.

    If your brain has a logical bent to it, you might recognize that as a distinction without a difference and at least one [uncompromised] and respected molecular biologist would agree with you. If you add a widget to a mouse trap so that it traps chickens, the mouse trap has *gained function*.

    In principle, the definition of GOF is that ridiculously straightforward. Similarly, when virologists add a spike protein that enables a non-transmissible virus to enter human cells—and become at least theoretically transmissible, THAT is GOF research.

    Clearly, the government definition of GOF was ‘engineered’ to provide cover [in the form of plausible deniability] for Fauci and some others who have been collaborating with Chinese virologists on *gain of function research* for years. And they did this in spite of an Obama era ban on GOF research. Did Dr. Baric or other virologists teach Chinese virologists any lab techniques? Did they share gene splicing technology with them?

    No wonder they wanted to bury the lab origin theory. This stinks.

    The argument is over whether the government, including Fauci, knowingly funded gain of function research, not over differences in the definition which the OP correctly notes are differences without a serious distinction.
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    So now we got Fauci "collaborating with Chinese" to produce Covid?

    Just Fauci hatred, the right has been at it ever since he had the courage to publicly correct Trump when Trump was downplaying the virus and recommending dubious solutions, just never got over fact that Fauci embarrassed Trump
    Be first in addressing the issues raised in the piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    It’s the WSJ Morning Editorial Report and no author is listed.

    And Derp, on the opinion piece. Of course it’s an opinion piece, what else could it be?
    It is an opinion piece regardless of who authored it, an opinion piece coming from a vehicle that has previously attacked Fauci, hardly material one starts a Congressional investigation over regardless of what Paul rants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The U.S. knows something about the research conducted at the WIV, because American taxpayer dollars helped fund it. This was the crux of last week’s dispute between Sen. Rand Paul and Anthony Fauci, who had cast doubt on the lab-leak hypothesis in the past. In their latest bout, the Kentucky Senator accused Dr. Fauci of lying to Congress, a federal crime, when he said this year that the National Institutes of Health had never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan. The exchange descended into shouting.

    The reality is complicated. The NIH gave almost $600,000 to the WIV through a nonprofit over several years to study bat coronaviruses. Mr. Paul cited a 2017 paper from WIV researchers that included experiments combining parts of viruses to study how to better infect human cells. But Dr. Fauci said the project was “judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain-of-function.”

    This might be technically true, as a 2014 federal government definition describes such research as that which “increase the ability of infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility.” But some scientists think the government definition is too limited and can allow de facto gain-of-function research to bypass safety protocols. Rutgers molecular biologist Richard Ebright says the NIH-funded work “was—unequivocally—gain-of-function research.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/anthony...bshare_twitter
    ______________

    Rand Paul was right, of course. Engineering a virus to where it is able to infect human cells IS gain of function research.

    But look at the Fauci definition of GOF research: “increase the ability of infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility.

    If your brain has a logical bent to it, you might recognize that as a distinction without a difference and at least one [uncompromised] and respected molecular biologist would agree with you. If you add a widget to a mouse trap so that it traps chickens, the mouse trap has *gained function*.

    In principle, the definition of GOF is that ridiculously straightforward. Similarly, when virologists add a spike protein that enables a non-transmissible virus to enter human cells—and become at least theoretically transmissible, THAT is GOF research.

    Clearly, the government definition of GOF was ‘engineered’ to provide cover [in the form of plausible deniability] for Fauci and some others who have been collaborating with Chinese virologists on *gain of function research* for years. And they did this in spite of an Obama era ban on GOF research. Did Dr. Baric or other virologists teach Chinese virologists any lab techniques? Did they share gene splicing technology with them?

    No wonder they wanted to bury the lab origin theory. This stinks.
    WSJ is owned by murdoch. eat shit. what fauci said was exactly right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Trump.
    Yeah, the same Trump that you put everything into defending and supporting last year.

    What's the matter? You don't want to own your mistakes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It is an opinion piece regardless of who authored it, an opinion piece coming from a vehicle that has previously attacked Fauci, hardly material one starts a Congressional investigation over regardless of what Paul rants
    Yeah, you need opposition research to start one of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Yeah, the same Trump that you put everything into defending and supporting last year.

    What's the matter? You don't want to own your mistakes?
    I want to debate the topic. Trump Head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I want to debate the topic. Trump Head.
    So you're going to argue that Fauci told Trump to downplay it?

    Trump said "I always wanted to downplay it"; he didn't say "Fauci said that I should downplay it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Be first in addressing the issues raised in the piece.
    Why?

    It has been addressed endless ever since Paul first grandstanded with it, it is like whack-a-mole, beat down one "arguement" and another pops up, why play, as far as Paul and the right goes there will never be closure.

    And ultimately, it is a deflection, we got a possible resurgence of Covid and the one thing the right doesn't want to confront is that that renewal is largely due to unvaccinated Republicans who bought their demogogues lies

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Why?

    It has been addressed endless ever since Paul first grandstanded with it, it is like whack-a-mole, beat down one "arguement" and another pops up, why play, as far as Paul and the right goes there will never be closure.

    And ultimately, it is a deflection, we got a possible resurgence of Covid and the one thing the right doesn't want to confront is that that renewal is largely due to unvaccinated Republicans who bought their demogogues lies
    This is a big part of the problem.

    Fauci is untouchable because Trump and because populists. Meanwhile, it’s *entirely plausible* that we are dealing with a weaponized virus while half the country wants to point fingers and play partisan games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Fauci is a Chinese Communist. makes sense
    Who said that?

    If anything Fauci was gullible in thinking virologists under control of a communist dictatorship ‘would only use shared gene splicing techniques for peaceful purposes’. Maybe they would, were it not for their communist government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    ...<insert Rupert Murdoch bullshit here>...
    ^^ fully vaccinated, spends his days trashing Fauci and the very vaccine he voluntarily welcomed with open veins

    this is what we're dealing with

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