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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    one would think they understand the rubber band effect...........but no, too many people are too hateful........and don't bother coming at me with question about my support or not..........as far as i'm concerned, you're all so fucking wrong you have a space in hell reserved for you
    Statements like that is the reason why Libertarians will never hold a seat in Congress or ever be elected president!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    There are many facts about slavery that are very discomfortable, and they want them banned. The idea is that only positives about their segment of America can be taught. It specifically bans facts.
    You are misinterpreting it. Having slavery can make a person uncomfortable but that does not mean it will not be taught. And what "they" want does not affect what instructors choose to teach; or, unfortunately, whether they choose to teach anything at all.

    Most states have curriculum guidelines that include most relevant topics about slavery and other historical subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    You are misinterpreting it. Having slavery can make a person uncomfortable but that does not mean it will not be taught. And what "they" want does not affect what instructors choose to teach; or, unfortunately, whether they choose to teach anything at all.

    Most states have curriculum guidelines that include most relevant topics about slavery and other historical subjects.
    It prohibits teaching any historical facts that "discomfort, guilt, anguish, or another form of psychological distress." The big no no in their book is teaching that the Founding Fathers owned slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    It prohibits teaching any historical facts that "discomfort, guilt, anguish, or another form of psychological distress." The big no no in their book is teaching that the Founding Fathers owned slaves.
    Again, you completely misinterpret it or believe it will actually have any meaning in practice. Texas curricula involves teaching all about slavery--that is not changing.

    It doesn't say teaching "facts" which cause discomfort. It is just a symbolic attempt to stop teaching their perception of what CRT includes to show off for their constituents. It is aimed at such exercises as making all white kids admit their white privilege which is rare in a history class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "Texas Senate Passes Bill Banning Educators From Teaching KKK as ‘Morally Wrong"

    "Texas Republicans in the State Senate passed a bill that would eliminate the requirement that made public schools teach that the Ku Klux Klan and white supremacy were “morally wrong.”

    "Senate Bill 3 blocks schools from teaching about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech, work from United Farm Workers leader Cesar Chavez, Susan B. Anthony’s writings about the women’s suffragists movement"

    https://bnc.tv/texas-senate-passes-b...morally-wrong/
    https://www.statesman.com/story/news...sm/8027707002/
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...-klan-n1274610
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1886815.html

    If one has a hard time trying to understand how imbeciles as Louie Gohmert can elected to Congress look no further than Texas
    Why don't they want to teach that KKK is morally wrong? Were they talking about the KKK before it became racist?

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    They should have a good old fashioned antebellum party complete with hoods and burning crosses to celebrate their victory.

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    KKK was terrible.
    Yet, most USA presidents killed more than the KKK.
    Hmm.. but that's more or less KOSHER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    There are many facts about slavery that are very discomfortable, and they want them banned. The idea is that only positives about their segment of America can be taught. It specifically bans facts.
    Uncomfortable fact for Lefties on slavery in the USA.

    The Black slave population in the USA grew faster in population than any population in Europe at the same time frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "Texas Senate Passes Bill Banning Educators From Teaching KKK as ‘Morally Wrong"

    "Texas Republicans in the State Senate passed a bill that would eliminate the requirement that made public schools teach that the Ku Klux Klan and white supremacy were “morally wrong.”

    "Senate Bill 3 blocks schools from teaching about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech, work from United Farm Workers leader Cesar Chavez, Susan B. Anthony’s writings about the women’s suffragists movement"

    https://bnc.tv/texas-senate-passes-b...morally-wrong/
    https://www.statesman.com/story/news...sm/8027707002/
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...-klan-n1274610
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1886815.html

    If one has a hard time trying to understand how imbeciles as Louie Gohmert can elected to Congress look no further than Texas
    I read the links. The argument in all of them amounts to a non-sequitur fallacy. That is, the conclusions don't follow the premise. In fact, a premise really isn't even given, just conclusions. The bill as written, and quoted on a very limited basis, doesn't come close to validating the conclusions raised. I'm not saying the bill is good or that it should be passed here, but rather that the arguments given in the articles against it are pure bullshit.

    Each article tells you of the supposedly horrible consequences if this bill passes but never shows a valid causal link between the bill's wording and those consequences. That is, the reader is supposed to accept and be angry about the consequences given by the writer but not question how the writer got to those conclusions. It's pure propaganda. You can't understand the consequences if you don't understand the premise.

    My bet, since all the articles use very similar language, is that one of these articles was written by someone who hates the bill, hasn't read it, drew up their own conclusions, and based on their position at the news source was copied almost verbatim by other news sources without question because the writers there hold similar political views. No critical thinking needed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I read the links. The argument in all of them amounts to a non-sequitur fallacy. That is, the conclusions don't follow the premise. In fact, a premise really isn't even given, just conclusions. The bill as written, and quoted on a very limited basis, doesn't come close to validating the conclusions raised. I'm not saying the bill is good or that it should be passed here, but rather that the arguments given in the articles against it are pure bullshit.

    Each article tells you of the supposedly horrible consequences if this bill passes but never shows a valid causal link between the bill's wording and those consequences. That is, the reader is supposed to accept and be angry about the consequences given by the writer but not question how the writer got to those conclusions. It's pure propaganda. You can't understand the consequences if you don't understand the premise.

    My bet, since all the articles use very similar language, is that one of these articles was written by someone who hates the bill, hasn't read it, drew up their own conclusions, and based on their position at the news source was copied almost verbatim by other news sources without question because the writers there hold similar political views. No critical thinking needed...
    (7) the history of white supremacy, including but not
    limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics movement, and
    the Ku Klux Klan, and the ways in which it is morally wrong;

    https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB3/id/2423654

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Statements like that is the reason why Libertarians will never hold a seat in Congress or ever be elected president!
    8. We’re not trying to win elections

    Any libertarian who tells you he is trying to win an election is either lying to you about trying to win the election, lying to us about being a libertarian, or terribly misinformed. As far as we’re concerned, elections are a bad thing. We’re trying to end them, not win them.

    The nature of the State is to make false promises to bait support from the people it victimizes. They promise to protect you from boogeymen, they promise to solve your economic problems, they promise to carry out the will of your deity. We see this as completely ridiculous, we know it will fail, and we know that most people are stupid enough to swallow it hook line and sinker, so we can’t compete with it in a popular vote.
    The goal is not to win your elections, the goal is to turn a large enough minority against the legitimacy of the State as to make its continued function impossible. So there’s absolutely no incentive to work with you in promoting candidates, which is the primary function of your political activity. You’re right when you say “No candidate is good enough” for us, no matter who runs for office we will tear him down because nobody has the right to be our ruler.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/04/...t-nice-to-you/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    (7) the history of white supremacy, including but not
    limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics movement, and
    the Ku Klux Klan, and the ways in which it is morally wrong;

    https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB3/id/2423654
    My point is the articles don't quote anything from the bill, just give conclusions--a non sequitur fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    My point is the articles don't quote anything from the bill, just give conclusions--a non sequitur fallacy.
    Well they struck it out. So apparently teachers are allowed to teach that KKK wasn't morally wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    8. We’re not trying to win elections

    Any libertarian who tells you he is trying to win an election is either lying to you about trying to win the election, lying to us about being a libertarian, or terribly misinformed. As far as we’re concerned, elections are a bad thing. We’re trying to end them, not win them.

    The nature of the State is to make false promises to bait support from the people it victimizes. They promise to protect you from boogeymen, they promise to solve your economic problems, they promise to carry out the will of your deity. We see this as completely ridiculous, we know it will fail, and we know that most people are stupid enough to swallow it hook line and sinker, so we can’t compete with it in a popular vote.
    The goal is not to win your elections, the goal is to turn a large enough minority against the legitimacy of the State as to make its continued function impossible. So there’s absolutely no incentive to work with you in promoting candidates, which is the primary function of your political activity. You’re right when you say “No candidate is good enough” for us, no matter who runs for office we will tear him down because nobody has the right to be our ruler.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/04/...t-nice-to-you/
    Thanks for sharing!

    But we believe we are a nation of laws!

    And we realize you would like to throw them all out! NO THANKS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    (7) the history of white supremacy, including but not
    limited to the institution of slavery, the eugenics movement, and
    the Ku Klux Klan, and the ways in which it is morally wrong;

    https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB3/id/2423654
    Reading the bill, that strikeout you list above is just part of a much larger section struck out because, examining it, required a long litany of Leftist views and readings on a polyglot of subjects related to race, gender, and politics. Some of these were incredibly vague like (C)(v) any other founding persons of the United States. Similar language was struck out of Section 2 (1)(D)(vi). The intent in both cases can be seen from the wording to include persons who were related to the Founders but not actually direct participants.

    That major strikeout in Section 2 (2)(C) appears as a whole to eliminate a specific set of requirements to load civics courses with a particular, Progressive / Leftist, viewpoint from the overall sources listed and coursework required. The intent of what was struck out was clearly meant to present a very specific point of view to students. It should have been struck out.

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