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    Default Do Felons Have A Right To Own Guns On Their Properties?

    According to the Constitution, they do.

    Explain why you think it's a yes or no.

    Do felons have the right to own cars on their properties and drive them around on their properties, especially when convicted with multiple DUIs? Especially when it involves vehicular manslaughter or murder.

    Driving on public roads is a different thing.

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    What sayth thus?

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    I believe once they have fulfilled their sentence for their crime, including parole, then they should be able to vote, get a grant, get a loan, get a job and own a gun. I think if it’s a violent crime, they need to get a license and insurance.

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    once a convicted person fulfills their sentence, they should be accorded every single right and freedom they had before. If they can't be trusted in public with a weapon, they can't be trusted in public.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    once a convicted person fulfills their sentence, they should be accorded every single right and freedom they had before. If they can't be trusted in public with a weapon, they can't be trusted in public.
    Yes. So why not keep them in prison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Yes. So why not keep them in prison?
    because at this point in time, the powers that be have decided that they don't want to do that...........I have no earthly idea why other than MAYBE they want to make more criminals with no rights in public......
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    because at this point in time, the powers that be have decided that they don't want to do that...........I have no earthly idea why other than MAYBE they want to make more criminals with no rights in public......
    Hmm your opinion is interesting. Not unheard of though.

    I can understand why they are afraid about them voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    According to the Constitution, they do.

    Explain why you think it's a yes or no.

    Do felons have the right to own cars on their properties and drive them around on their properties, especially when convicted with multiple DUIs? Especially when it involves vehicular manslaughter or murder.

    Driving on public roads is a different thing.

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    What sayth thus?
    Strictly speaking, removal of Constitutional rights as punishment for a crime isn't unconstitutional. It's one of the provisions under the 5th. But on a more general, moral principle, it shouldn't occur as a matter of course and is historically not common. I don't think there should be blanket bans on felons for anything, and it should be much harder to become a felon in the first place. But neither of these will ever change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    According to the Constitution, they do.

    Explain why you think it's a yes or no.

    Do felons have the right to own cars on their properties and drive them around on their properties, especially when convicted with multiple DUIs? Especially when it involves vehicular manslaughter or murder.

    Driving on public roads is a different thing.

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    What sayth thus?
    Actually they don't. Loss of the right to own a gun is part of their sentence. Just like loss of their liberty is part of their sentence. Its already been to the SCOTUS and the Court rule it was constitutional.
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    Now, there is a weird loophole in the law concerning firearms and felons... That is, any gun made before 1895 can be owned legally, so you just buy yourself one of these...



    Or for a bit higher price one of these...


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    Many "infractions" are now a felony when they weren't years ago. Take eluding an officer, 40 years ago, it was just a fine and 6 months loss of driver's license.
    I believe if the felony doesn't include the use of a firearm or violence of any kind, after the sentence is fulfilled, all constitutional rights should be reinstated.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Now, there is a weird loophole in the law concerning firearms and felons... That is, any gun made before 1895 can be owned legally, so you just buy yourself one of these...



    Or for a bit higher price one of these...

    I believe a felon can own any black powder, non-cartridge firearm. I believe that also includes an inline black powder rifle, which are quite accurate these days.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Do Felons Have A Right To Own Guns On Their Properties?
    Second question: is there any limit to the "arms" that are referred to in the Constitution? Remember "arms" meant cannons, not handguns at the time. Do we have the right to own tanks, anti-aircraft guns, machine guns, chemical weapons, nuclear weapons, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I believe once they have fulfilled their sentence for their crime, including parole, then they should be able to vote, get a grant, get a loan, get a job and own a gun. I think if it’s a violent crime, they need to get a license and insurance.
    wrong very wrong .. Clearly your not experienced in dealing with felons and their behavior.
    for every crime a thug is caught at they generally commit several even dozens.

    Felons can get a load or a job no one is saying they ant. people dont like hiring thives and baby rapers and rapist and arsonist .

    I would like to talk more about the subject with you as a adult . Ill be nice promise. right niw I have to get ready as buddy and myself are going to my private gunlub to practice dealing with felons

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    Actually they don't. Loss of the right to own a gun is part of their sentence. Just like loss of their liberty is part of their sentence. Its already been to the SCOTUS and the Court rule it was constitutional.
    Slavery was constitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    According to the Constitution, they do.

    Explain why you think it's a yes or no.

    Do felons have the right to own cars on their properties and drive them around on their properties, especially when convicted with multiple DUIs? Especially when it involves vehicular manslaughter or murder.

    Driving on public roads is a different thing.

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    What sayth thus?
    Define "right."
    The Constitution's 2nd Amendment does not preclude them from owning firearms.
    At the same time, the Constitution's 10th Amendment does not deny states the right to proscribe firearms ownership for convicted felons.

    I would think that a person who served his/her sentence should have full rights of citizenship, but there is no broad consensus about that.
    Sex offenders who served their time are still put on permanent registries.

    Our Constitution could definitely use a page 1 re-write, but our current fifty states would NEVER ratify the same new constitution today.

    All of which suggest two things.

    Perhaps we should humanely euthanize felons rather than incarcerate them.
    Then we wouldn't have to worry about their rights.

    And perhaps we should partition into separate nations each having the Constitution that it wants.
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