Do Felons Have A Right To Own Guns On Their Properties?

[AProudLefty]

Well, it isn't a trial though, and the "judge" is not always a sitting judge. Sometimes you can be nabbed for violating parole with no hearing, depending on the action. The hearing comes afterward to see if you stay there.

Well yeah but it's to determine why the person violated the terms of parole. It could just be a matter of not informing the parole officer that you are taking meds prescribed by your doctor which is the reason you failed the piss test. That's one example. Sometimes it's so minor and the parolee has been doing so well for over a year they give him/her a chance.

[Damocles]

And the point of this is....? Why is someone with a life sentence out of prison?

Because Americans believe in rehabilitation. I'm not quite sure what your question really is. The sentence was not Life without parole, and being out of prison is not the end of the sentence.

Sentencing in the US is far heavier than most other industrialized nations. Complaining that some dude serves a portion of his life sentence under supervision instead of in the prison is just pretense. Even Canada who sentences are far nicer than ours has this same thing.... parole for a lifer is parole for life. The sentence does not end, they go through a parole hearing and if they are deemed "not a danger" to society they are given supervised parole.

[AProudLefty]

And the point of this is....? Why is someone with a life sentence out of prison?

Life sentence with a possibility of parole. You are still not free when you are outside. Your rights are restricted.

[RB 60]

Life sentence with a possibility of parole. You are still not free when you are outside. Your rights are restricted.

You're on parole until the end of your jail sentence, providing you don't screw up (even getting fired from a job is grounds to put you back in the slammer). The probation after the jail sentence is less restrictive, but still quite conditioned. No firearms, no police contact, etc.

[Into the Night]

Because Americans believe in rehabilitation.

What rehabilitation?? He's under a [b]life sentence!/b]

I'm not quite sure what your question really is.

Why is someone with a life sentence out of prison?

The sentence was not Life without parole, and being out of prison is not the end of the sentence.

So what 'rehabilitation' are you talking about????

Sentencing in the US is far heavier than most other industrialized nations.

Not true. Indeed, light sentencing is a real problem in the States. Some felons are back out on the street after no more than a one night stay in prison. It is NOT parole.

Soft judges create hardened criminals.

Even Canada who sentences are far nicer than ours has this same thing.... parole for a lifer is parole for life. The sentence does not end, they go through a parole hearing and if they are deemed "not a danger" to society they are given supervised parole.

it's a life sentence. They ARE a danger to society.

[AProudLefty]

What rehabilitation?? He's under a life sentence!

Complaining that some dude serves a portion of his life sentence under supervision instead of in the prison is just pretense.

Soft judges create hardened criminals.

it's a life sentence. They ARE a danger to society.

There are two types of life sentences.
1. Life sentence without the possibility of parole.
2. Life sentence with the possibility of parole.

[Into the Night]

Life sentence with a possibility of parole. You are still not free when you are outside. Your rights are restricted.

What is the point of parole for a life sentence??

[AProudLefty]

What is the point of parole for a life sentence??

To give them a chance of life. Getting married, work and have kids. Or being with their families. Or help the police or government (like computer hacking and check fraud).

[Damocles]

What is the point of parole for a life sentence??

So that we don't have to pay for their existence (three hots and a cot, lawyers, showers, guards, all these things are expensive). A parolee often pays for the supervision, they are required to keep a job, they go through mandatory drug testing, they can't have firearms, they don't get to vote in most states, and they live with a government assigned babysitter to ensure they keep to the terms of the parole.

Some lifers do not need to stay in prison for the entire sentence and the sentence allows for a supervised parole.

Really, the sentence continues, that's where your arguments here are broken. You think Life means Life in prison, but unless the sentence specifically specifies "without parole" they will get parole hearings in the future. Some will never get out even under supervision, but most will. Their sentence continues on the outside with a government babysitter they often are required to pay for...

[AProudLefty]

always was partial to this.....

I am currently 3/4th through the movie. I am disappointed that they didn't show more of that. Though that Asian guy is what carried the whole movie. He's quite a comic relief. Kept making me laugh.

The movie reminds me of Hackers with young Angelina Jolie as an actress. She was hot in it.

[AProudLefty]

always was partial to this.....

Just finished watching the movie. I loved it. No clue why they gave it a low rating.

Basically they stole SAT answers but they didn't anticipate the results. They ironically have learned a lot and learned the answers themselves.

And I KNEW that Asian guy would be a successful millionaire with plenty of hoo hahs.

[Into the Night]

There are two types of life sentences.
1. Life sentence without the possibility of parole.
2. Life sentence with the possibility of parole.

...and I ask again. What's the point of a life sentence with the possibility of parole? It's certainly not rehabilitation.

[AProudLefty]

...and I ask again. What's the point of a life sentence with the possibility of parole? It's certainly not rehabilitation.

What is the point of setting specific numbers of years for sentences?

[Into the Night]

So that we don't have to pay for their existence (three hots and a cot, lawyers, showers, guards, all these things are expensive). A parolee often pays for the supervision, they are required to keep a job, they go through mandatory drug testing, they can't have firearms, they don't get to vote in most states, and they live with a government assigned babysitter to ensure they keep to the terms of the parole.

Some lifers do not need to stay in prison for the entire sentence and the sentence allows for a supervised parole.

Really, the sentence continues, that's where your arguments here are broken. You think Life means Life in prison, but unless the sentence specifically specifies "without parole" they will get parole hearings in the future. Some will never get out even under supervision, but most will. Their sentence continues on the outside with a government babysitter they often are required to pay for...

There it is. It's to save money. It is putting society at risk to save money.

[Damocles]

There it is. It's to save money. It is putting society at risk to save money.

I was hoping I'd find some way to get you to understand that it is for many reasons, but I had to work to find one that you would understand. Congratulations. It's because their sentence does not require imprisonment. If it did it would be Life without parole. Because it is not, their sentence allows for supervised freedom after a period of time in prison. That's about the long and short of it.

Some of the many benefits we get out of it:

a. Folks aren't on the dole for the rest of their lives.
b. Folks often have to pay for their supervision, so that our taxes don't have to.
c. It's cheaper for society, while still supervising to keep society safer.