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    Default Turns out MAGA militias are unconstitutional

    CLEVELAND -- Recent months have seen “militias” in the news: the Wolverine Watchmen, charged with planning to kidnap, try, and execute the Michigan governor; the Three Percenters, charged with storming the U.S. Capitol, hoping to prevent Congress from certifying the Electoral College results; the Rise of the Moors group in an Independence Day-weekend standoff with Massachusetts police; and others. Some are openly anti-government. Some purport to defend constitutional government. Some claim to support local authorities. Most, if not all, call themselves “constitutional militia.” They are not.

    The militia provided for by the U.S. Constitution is a government function, subject to government regulation. This was true of the “independent militias” of the 18th and 19th centuries, as well as the state militias.

    The Articles of Confederation, written when the War of Independence was still being fought, required each state to “keep up a well regulated and disciplined militia ....” Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution empowers Congress, “To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia ...” States are responsible to train the militia “according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.” Writing in Federalist Papers No. 29, Alexander Hamilton argued: “If a well-regulated militia be the most natural defense of a free country, it ought to be under the regulation of and at the disposal of the body which is constituted the guardian of the national security,” i.e., the federal government.

    https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/20...d-r-rauzi.html

    so when some asshole in KMart cammies starts talking about his constitutional rights tell him to go read the fucking constitution

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    What about BLM & ANTIFA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Kielbasa View Post
    What about BLM & ANTIFA?
    neither one is an armed militia, don't be a retard

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    neither one is an armed militia, don't be a retard
    BLM & ANTIFA shot people before.
    How many did the Insurrectionists shoot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Kielbasa View Post
    BLM & ANTIFA shot people before.
    How many did the Insurrectionists shoot?
    I told you not to be retarded

    one more idiotic post and you go on ignore

    you've been warned

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    When a group of men and women equip themselves with AR-15s, camos, body armor, and other combat gear, they can proclaim themselves a “constitutional militia,” but they are not. They are not part of state government, and they are not well-regulated by government. Consequently, they do not act under constitutional authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Kielbasa View Post
    What about BLM & ANTIFA?
    They are self-described militias? And btw...where is ANTIFA headquartered as an organization?

    Antifa is a left-wing, anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It is highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.

    Right wing militias OTOH...

    Violence by far right is among US’s most dangerous terrorist threats, study finds
    Center for Strategic and International Studies analysis of domestic terrorist incidents found majority have come from far right

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hreat-analysis
    The militia movement is a relatively new right-wing extremist movement consisting of armed paramilitary groups, both formal and informal, with an anti-government, conspiracy-oriented ideology.
    https://www.adl.org/education/resour...litia-movement
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    Antifa is an online group. They have no real-life organization. They are righty boogiemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Antifa is an online group. They have no real-life organization. They are righty boogiemen.
    strange, not seeing any coverage on antifa or BLM storming the capitol and trying to hang the Vice President, or trying to kidnap a governor while committing domestic terrorist attacks across the country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    They are self-described militias? And btw...where is ANTIFA headquartered as an organization?

    Antifa is a left-wing, anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It is highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.

    Right wing militias OTOH...
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Antifa is an online group. They have no real-life organization. They are righty boogiemen.
    Antifa is a myriad of scumbags from different groupings just as the insurrectionists were a .yriad of scumbags of different groupings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Kielbasa View Post
    Antifa is a myriad of scumbags from different groupings just as the insurrectionists were a .yriad of scumbags of different groupings?
    ridiculous analogy

    antifa is not an organization, doesn't have any militias, is only mentioned on Fox 'News', and has not beaten 140 policemen on the Capitol steps

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    CLEVELAND -- Recent months have seen “militias” in the news: the Wolverine Watchmen, charged with planning to kidnap, try, and execute the Michigan governor; the Three Percenters, charged with storming the U.S. Capitol, hoping to prevent Congress from certifying the Electoral College results; the Rise of the Moors group in an Independence Day-weekend standoff with Massachusetts police; and others. Some are openly anti-government. Some purport to defend constitutional government. Some claim to support local authorities. Most, if not all, call themselves “constitutional militia.” They are not.

    The militia provided for by the U.S. Constitution is a government function, subject to government regulation. This was true of the “independent militias” of the 18th and 19th centuries, as well as the state militias.

    The Articles of Confederation, written when the War of Independence was still being fought, required each state to “keep up a well regulated and disciplined militia ....” Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution empowers Congress, “To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia ...” States are responsible to train the militia “according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.” Writing in Federalist Papers No. 29, Alexander Hamilton argued: “If a well-regulated militia be the most natural defense of a free country, it ought to be under the regulation of and at the disposal of the body which is constituted the guardian of the national security,” i.e., the federal government.

    https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/20...d-r-rauzi.html

    so when some asshole in KMart cammies starts talking about his constitutional rights tell him to go read the fucking constitution
    any bullshit you spewed about the militia in relation to the constitution is crap. lies. statist fucking horseshit
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    I told you not to be retarded
    follow your own advice
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    When a group of men and women equip themselves with AR-15s, camos, body armor, and other combat gear, they can proclaim themselves a “constitutional militia,” but they are not. They are not part of state government, and they are not well-regulated by government. Consequently, they do not act under constitutional authority.
    the militia are 'we the people'. we are NOT part of the government and were never intended to be, UNLESS the terms of the constitution apply, such as insurrection or invasion.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    After the Constitution was adopted, the 1st Congress sent to the states the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment, which states: “A well regulated militia [is] necessary to the security of a free state ....” The 2nd Congress enacted the Militia Acts of 1792, which were signed into law by President George Washington – a former Virginia militia officer. The Militia Acts provided, among other things, “That the rules of discipline approved and established by Congress ... shall be the rules of discipline to be observed by the militia throughout the United States ....”

    The Militia Acts also recognized that, in some states, there were militia companies which “by the laws, customs or usages thereof have not been incorporated with or subject to the general regulation of the militia,” i.e., the independent militia. Congress permitted the independents to continue “subject, nevertheless, to all other duties required by this act, in like manner with other militia.” (Emphasis added.) In other words, from 1792 onward, the independent militias were regulated by federal law. With the National Guard Act of 1903, the independent militias were no longer authorized.

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