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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    They shouldn't learn that value? Many long-term homeless have never been regularly employed. That's a problem for them.
    They know that value, most were regularly employed and it is a problem for us, who do you think has to support them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Port Tack View Post
    They know that value, most were regularly employed and it is a problem for us, who do you think has to support them.
    No, the chronic homeless don't. Even many recently homeless don't. Many were marginally or casually employed. The same is true of criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    It started with me noticing the notices the Mind Molders write when motel fires happen, which is all too often now....the deceptive writing and general lack of information.

    I am confident that proof would be obtained by talking with insurance companies, who tend to take a very dim view of properties that agree to take large numbers of Street People.
    So you made a right wing bull shit comment you cannot prove, just like a typical right winger.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    So you made a right wing bull shit comment you cannot prove, just like a typical right winger.
    I am a Progressive DipShit.

    Notice my sig.
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

    DARK AGES SUCK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    No, the chronic homeless don't. Even many recently homeless don't. Many were marginally or casually employed. The same is true of criminals.
    So you throw the thousands of hard working poor under the bus to save a few dollars that you will willingly give to the 1%.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    So you throw the thousands of hard working poor under the bus to save a few dollars that you will willingly give to the 1%.
    No, we're talking about homeless people here. If you give them the option to participate, they end up building themselves a home in a functioning town that they constructed. From there, they can move to another town, even sell their home and let someone new take over. Or, they can integrate their development into a larger community as it develops and eventually move up to full ownership of their home and property, a decent job, and the ability to become part of the larger community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    I am a Progressive DipShit.

    Notice my sig.
    You "claim" to be a progressive.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    No, we're talking about homeless people here. If you give them the option to participate, they end up building themselves a home in a functioning town that they constructed. From there, they can move to another town, even sell their home and let someone new take over. Or, they can integrate their development into a larger community as it develops and eventually move up to full ownership of their home and property, a decent job, and the ability to become part of the larger community.
    In other words, in your low IQ world all of the homeless are unemployed junkies.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    In other words, in your low IQ world all of the homeless are unemployed junkies.
    It is a lot easier to think like that instead of dealing with a real problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    You "claim" to be a progressive.
    And I am hyper educated, and I have not told a lie in many years.
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

    DARK AGES SUCK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    In other words, in your low IQ world all of the homeless are unemployed junkies.
    Not at all. Some are alcoholics, others are lazy idiots, there are those that sniff paint (gold and silver paint are their usual favorite), some are seriously mentally ill and really need to be in a supervised living environment, while still others are just three deviations low on the intelligence bell curve...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    While the shining beacon on the hill (cough cough) is not even willing to provide universal healthcare. SMFH
    Housing First is the biggest breakthrough in solving homelessness ever. Preventing homelessness is not that hard, but actually taking homeless people and reintegrating them into society is extremely difficult.

    Unfortunately, the American mind rebels against it. It involves giving people who have done nothing a home to stay in. We want them to "earn" it. Earning anything is tough, when you are homeless, so the perpetual cycle continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Finland has 3.5% non-ethnic fin people living there and most of those are from nearby countries.
    They are not a society that accommodate parasites.
    I have been to Finland, and you are simply wrong. Finland has a large indigenous Swedish minority, larger than 3.5%. They also have nearly 4% of the population from non European countries(about half from Asia, and half from Africa). Then there are the Europeans from Southern Europe which make up about 5% of the population.

    And there are Europeans from nearby countries... Like Russia... Hardly known for their great economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Do they know the percent of homeless military vets?
    Not really. I have worked with the homeless a bit, and they reflexively lie about being vets. They usually lack good documentation, so it is hard to tell who is lying and who is telling the truth.

    A way into Housing First is to have Housing First for homeless vets. The homeless person claims to be a vet, and charities then try to track down the veteran records. If it is true, then Housing First.

    Actually tracking down some sort of record about being a veteran is usually not that hard, but too hard to do for just a survey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volsrock View Post
    Finland has the population of South Carolina and no Mexicans to take care of
    You think Moroccans are easier?

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