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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Quoting people on Hegel is a step backward.
    97 percent of what gets posted on jpp are quotes.

    Hegel is notoriously dense and impenetrable to read. I am going to rely on scholars to explain to me Hegel's philosophy.

    No idea why that outrages you

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    You are a neophyte who thinks you're a master.
    I have never said I am a master or expert on anything.

    You obviously have some obsessive resentment best dealt with by mental health counselors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    97 percent of what gets posted on jpp are quotes.

    Hegel is notoriously dense and impenetrable to read. I am going to rely on scholars to explain to me Hegel's philosophy.

    No idea why that outrages you

    Have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I have never said I am a master or expert on anything.

    You obviously have some obsessive resentment best dealt with by mental health counselors
    More silliness. Do whatever you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Ok, you're great. Happy? Are you this fucking insecure?!
    But you still have not explained why you blatantly lied that I supposedly call myself an expert.

    I invited you to point to an example of me ever doing that, but you chose not to accept my challenge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    But you still have not explained why you blatantly lied that I supposedly call myself an expert.

    I invited you to point to an example of me ever doing that, but you chose not to accept my challenge
    You have the knowledge of a college freshman in the third week of an intro to philosophy class. Have some modesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    You have the knowledge of a college freshman in the third week of an intro to philosophy class. Have some modesty.
    So you made the mistake of assuming I wrote the OP, but are now simply incapable of acknowledging you were wrong and what I did was post some thoughts by an expert scholar - standard practice on jpp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    So you made the mistake of assuming I wrote the OP, but are now simply incapable of acknowledging you were wrong and what I did was post some thoughts by a n expertscholar - standard practice on jpp.
    You're too emotional to do philosophy.

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    This is from the introduction of Hegel's, Phenomenology of Spirit.

    "The more conventional opinion gets fixated
    on the antithesis of truth and falsity, the more it tends to expect
    a given philosophical system to be either accepted or contradicted; and hence it finds only acceptance or rejection. It
    does not comprehend the diversity of philosophical systems as
    the progressive unfolding of truth, but rather sees in it simple
    disagreements. " (preface, p. 2)

    Hegel is explaining what he thinks philosophy is about. He is contesting the idea that philosophy is about being right or wrong and pointing out mistakes.
    Last edited by BidenPresident; 07-17-2021 at 10:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    You're too emotional to do philosophy.
    You have posted frequently about science, even though it is obvious you never passed freshman year physics or chemistry - but I don't pursue you around the board scolding you about it.

    I am not interested in the reasons for your obsessive resentment, you are the one who has to live with it.

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    "Such minds, when
    they give themselves up to the uncontrolled ferment of (the
    divine] substance, imagine that, by drawing a veil over self-consciousness and surrendering understanding they become the
    beloved of God to whom He gives wisdom in sleep; and hence
    what they in fact receive, and bring to birth in their sleep) is
    nothing but dreams." (preface, sect 10)

    The work of thinking and analysis cannot be substituted with revelation. Hegel is here saying that right belief cannot be the purpose of philosophy.

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    A little thread drift here on the difference between what we learn and what we retain. The more difficult the topic the more I have to reread it 2 or 3 times until I understand it. Only then can I decide if I agree or disagree. Carl Sagan is one of my favorite writers but I didn't retain a word he wrote because his writing style makes it too easy of a read. I can sit for a few hours, dig deep into my mind and recall every chapter of a German writer simply because it was such a difficult read. German writers taught me how to think.

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    "86. Inasmuch as the new true object issues from it, this dialectical
    movement which consciousness exercises on itself and which
    affects both its knowledge and its object, is precisely what is
    called experience [Eifahrung]. "


    This section seems available to understand. Hegel's project is explaining experience. By phenomenology he means the science of experience.

    The passages I quoted do not seem to be too hard to comprehend.

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    This section of Hegel is a bit more complicated. But he is now explaining what the meaning and process of consciousness is.

    "Consciousness
    simultaneously distinguishes itself from something, and at the
    same time relates itself to it, or, as it is said, this something exists
    for consciousness; and the determinate aspect of this relating,
    or of the being of something for a consciousness, is knowing. "

    More difficult, but I think worth trying to figure out. Consciousness does not just directly apprehend the world but makes an object out of it and thinks about it as a new object.
    You can read all the commentary you want, but this section is the essence of his philosophy.

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    Hegel is referring back to Plato and Socrates. We can reason about the world and find truth from that process. We don't need outside experts to tell us what the truth is.

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