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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    I agree! However, when this isn't denounced as loudly as a peaceful protest during the national anthem. We still have major problems. Perhaps that is why the story connected with me so much.
    The reason is that athlete shows nothing but contempt for America while the other shows contempt for the govt. I realize talking badly about the govt is a mortal sin to some people but it really isn't. And BTW there are no committees being formed to look into her behavior so to claim it wasn't denounced as loudly seems hollow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    Ha! "My racism". There is absolutely nothing racist about acknowledging the history of this country. Failure to acknowledge is the real concern. That is when racism remains.

    What part of post-WWII Germany and its processing the evil it was during the Holocaust do you disagree with?
    Should Germany have monuments to Nazis as the US does to Confederates?

    I am curious, what specifically do you have an issue with?
    Your racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    What "paying for"?

    Acknowledging and respecting that history is not paying for.

    Putting up monuments that honor those enslaved instead of the slaveholders and successionists is not paying for.

    Respecting that this horrific history has an impact on our culture today isn't paying for.

    No, he obviously wasn't talking directly about slavery. However, the comparison is the US after slavery vs Germany after the Holocaust. Are the 2 countries at different places regarding their ultimate sin because of how they processed what they did?

    The US followed slavery with 60 + years of Jim Crow. Germany followed the Holocaust with a leader in tears.

    There is no paying for. Just a lack of denial and a little empathy.
    Go stuff your racism elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    Lol! No self-awareness yet you don't see the difference between a monument honoring a slave holding secessionist and one honoring those who were enslaved.

    Talk about lack of self-awareness and a bunch of privilege.
    Racism. Go stuff it elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    The privilege that you don't have to be overly concerned about what happened to previous generations.

    And don't claim to be "sensible" when as soon as I disagree or state my point strongly you start using language that is offensive. That is the antithesis of "sensible".
    Your point is offensive. Racism is offensive. By our own definition, you are not sensible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    It is easy for me to say I didn't do it. Who cares about the Lee statue?!?! It is a sign of privilege. My ancestors weren't slave owners but they also weren't enslaved. They also didn't face racis. And terrorism because of their race. My grandparents didn't see the Lee statue built during a time when they could be murdered for trying to vote.
    Racism. Take it elsewhere, dude.
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    I have no idea what it means to have people I love, grandparents tell me those stories of their actual life experiences. That is privilege.
    Irrelevant. Bigotry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    collective punishment is outlawed in the u.n.
    What's the UN got to do with anything discussed here?
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    reparations among racial lines will never happen. its too stupid.
    It is also theft.
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    very few americans owned slaves. most were family farmers or sharecroppers.
    Very true.
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    take your bullshit somewhere else.
    I've been telling him this for several posts now. Thanks for your support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    And if you listen to the right everything, unless run by Democrats, is free from issues and run perfectly. If you don't believe the "more perfect" union is now perfect (minus Democrats) then you don't love this country.
    Bigotry. Go stuff it elsewhere, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    Nobbody said anything about reparations or collective punishment.

    Obviously this is too complicated for you to have a conversation about.

    Thanks for sharing.
    Lie. You did. Now you wish to deny your own statements?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    This is far from a perfect country but it's the closest thing on this fucking planet. We have made no significant headway toward improving America since the left was butt hurt by trump's election. He did nothing to help change people's minds about him l but in all fairness I don't think he ever could have changed anyone's mind about him. There was too much hatred.
    Yet many minds were changed because of Trump's accomplishments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    The reason is that athlete shows nothing but contempt for America while the other shows contempt for the govt. I realize talking badly about the govt is a mortal sin to some people but it really isn't. And BTW there are no committees being formed to look into her behavior so to claim it wasn't denounced as loudly seems hollow.
    Racism. Bigotry. Go stuff it elsewhere, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Lie. You did. Now you wish to deny your own statements?
    Show me where I said reparations.
    Fyi, you can't.

    That is your word not mine.

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    I don't think Into the Night either reads or comprehends what is posted before responding. It is almost comical.

    He dismisses everything as racism or bigotry, or (my favorite) irrelevant.

    The topic of the OP is post WWII Germany navigating its role in the Holocaust. Coming to terms with the horror it inflicted.

    It then compares that to what happened in this country after slavery ended. As a student of history, I found that interesting.

    I then asked questions about if we need to have that honest conversation and consider taking similar actions.

    The most basic example is monuments.

    I never suggested reparations. I just wonder how we can continue the quest for a "more perfect" union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    Show me where I said reparations.
    Fyi, you can't.

    That is your word not mine.
    Okay. You want to deny your own statements again. Meh. Anyone that wants to can go look for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    I don't think Into the Night either reads or comprehends what is posted before responding. It is almost comical.

    He dismisses everything as racism or bigotry, or (my favorite) irrelevant.

    The topic of the OP is post WWII Germany navigating its role in the Holocaust. Coming to terms with the horror it inflicted.

    It then compares that to what happened in this country after slavery ended. As a student of history, I found that interesting.

    I then asked questions about if we need to have that honest conversation and consider taking similar actions.

    The most basic example is monuments.

    I never suggested reparations. I just wonder how we can continue the quest for a "more perfect" union.
    Racism. Bigotry.
    Stuff it elsewhere, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    I don't think Into the Night either reads or comprehends what is posted before responding.
    Correct. He is a buffoon.

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