It'd still be civilization, just with slavery. Slavery died out because of a combination of religious morals rising in Europe and Western culture and technology rendering it inefficient. Without the moral portion it would likely have remained a part of society just as it does in many parts of the world today.
Doc Dutch (07-02-2021)
I listen to history podcasts on my phone/bluetooth headset when mowing. Sometimes when working outside on a speaker. I don't like working with a headset on since I can't hear others approaching so I use a bluetooth speaker. If moving around a lot, I can't always hear a story but can continue to enjoy music.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Cypress (07-02-2021)
PS, You might enjoy the Pirate Coast book. Along with other historical events (eg, the Battle of Midway) it show how blind luck and quick thinking people can turn the tide of an event.
The famed Marine attack on "the shores of Tripoli" was a lot closer thing than most people believe.
Not exactly related, but this is one of my favorite scenes from "the Wind and the Lion", the 3 minute clip is shown in Marine training.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Cypress (07-02-2021)
Depends what you mean by civilisation, I suppose. The West Africa Squadron was hunting down slave ships from 1803 or thereabouts, and the pressures against the trade - and against slavery itself - were largely religious. Jane Austen disliked Wilberforce because he was one of the Evangelical 'saints' while the Quakers started working against it in the 'States (and let me put in a word here for the Brontes' father, an Anglican curate: one theory about Heathcliffe is that he was 'black') Slavery was, at any time, difficult to reconcile with any kind of Christianity, however much some (Paul, for instance) wanted to kow-tow to the Imperial authorities.
Some excellent points, thanks for bringing them out.........hats-off-salute-smiley-emoticon.gif
John Wesley, via Wilberforce got the ball rolling-NOTE: It wasn't the west, it was Britain-UK-Not Spain, Portugal, France, Italy etc...
Oddly enough Wesleyans= Methodism~ Methodism in the USA split on the issue, thus we have southern Methodist, those supporting the south, eventhough their founder was adamantly opposed to slavery
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
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