NATO encroachent in Russian Black Sea waters is a war waiting to happen

[Hawkeye10]

It's a corrupt Russian border state - keep out of it

Its more complicated than that but yes.....these fucks are road kill......that we ever invested in them told the Chinese and the Russians that we are not the quality of people we claim to be.

Actions are what matter.

We failed.

[dukkha]

Its more complicated than that but yes.....these fucks are road kill......that we ever invested in them told the Chinese and the Russians that we are not the quality of people we claim to be.
Actions are what matter. We failed.

it's this with Putin

[Hawkeye10]

it's this with Putin

I am so wasted but in my defense we are expecting three 100+ days in a row, which has never happened....we did prime Tomahawk from Stewart's Meats... with all the trimmings, over Kingsford.

2016 Bordeaux.

[Cypress]

The Brits were within 1.6 nautical miles of Sevastopol -in waters Russia governed Crimea declared off limits

1.6 miles according to who? The Kremlin?

Royal Navy, USA, NATO have a right to respond in kind

U.S. Boats Faced Russian Aggression Near Alaska
Russia has escalated its provocative encounters in the North Pacific this year, harassing boats in U.S. fishing waters and sending bombers toward Alaska’s shores.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...shing.amp.html

Royal Navy Tracks Nine Russian Vessels Near UK Waters

Over the past two weeks, the Royal Navy has tracked nine Russian vessels around the UK. A Russian surfaced submarine, destroyer, corvette, patrol ship and their supporting tugs and supply ships were watched closely by eight Royal Navy ships, from the English Channel and the Celtic Sea to waters close to the west coast of Scotland.
https://www.maritime-executive.com/e...near-uk-waters

[Bill]

Russia & the UK have been on sides, for & against- going on 500 years and much of that involved UK attempts rein in/hamper Russian ambitions & expansion..

Personally makes no difference to me who has the Crimea, but Russia did take it in 1783 from the Mongols & Turks who nominally controlled it & the slave trade in Ukrainians, Russians etc...

I don't know of any bitching the UK did @ the time..

We have enough problems & shit to deal w/ already don't we??

[Hawkeye10]

Russia & the UK have been on sides, for & against- going on 500 years and much of that involved UK attempts rein in/hamper Russian ambitions & expansion..

Personally makes no difference to me who has the Crimea, but Russia did take it in 1783 from the Mongols & Turks who nominally controlled it & the slave trade in Ukrainians, Russians etc...

I don't know of any bitching the UK did @ the time..

We have enough problems & shit to deal w/ already don't we??

No No No....these Modern Morons have no interest in dealing with the problems that matter first.

They are way the fuck too ignorant to do that!

Buckle Up.

[Jack]

Russia & the UK have been on sides, for & against- going on 500 years and much of that involved UK attempts rein in/hamper Russian ambitions & expansion..

Personally makes no difference to me who has the Crimea, but Russia did take it in 1783 from the Mongols & Turks who nominally controlled it & the slave trade in Ukrainians, Russians etc...

I don't know of any bitching the UK did @ the time..

We have enough problems & shit to deal w/ already don't we??

I think most people would agree that Crimea is 'Russian'.

[Hawkeye10]

Despite the bravado and harsh Foreign Ministry statements, the Kremlin is worried. Its control of the Crimea does not compensate for the lag of the Russian surface fleet compared with the capabilities of the key NATO naval powers: the US, the UK and France, which remain the world's only "blue water" navies — i.e., capable of global sea power projection. Russia has almost no chance of catching up, even in the medium term.

Putin knows well that any attempts to push back against NATO's presence on the Black Sea is futile. But, as always, he is afraid to appear "weak" and prefers to "play madman" — even if that means risking lethal consequences.

But the Kremlin's hysterics stopped worrying NATO. The alliance now seems to have taken Putin up on his favorite game: seeing who blinks first.

https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-why-pu...sea/a-58038554

#WISHING

[Hawkeye10]

I think most people would agree that Crimea is 'Russian'.

Dont be confusing the boy with reality!

[Walt]

NATO encroachent in Russian Black Sea waters is a war waiting to happen

When did we concede the Black Sea to Russia? Russia has only 14% of the Black Sea coastline, while NATO nations have 33%. The other 53% is belongs to countries that Russia has partially invaded. That makes the Black Sea more NATO's sea than Russia's.

[Walt]

Ive been saying this is a war waiting to happen ever since NATO warships encroached on Crimean waters.

The next problem -mark my words- will be if/when Ukraine becomes part of NATO and Article 5 then applies to Ukraine

Russian ships often sail along our coastline, which is unfortunately their right under freedom of navigation. Maybe we should start attacking them in retaliation.

I strongly doubt the Ukraine will be invited to join either NATO or the EU. It is too big, and in too much trouble. Instead, it will be kept at arms length, only tacitly protected.

[Walt]

2 different actors.
and this is Russian waters, despite what the Brits say.. their warship was encroaching on Sevastopol itself

Russia claims these waters... Much like China claims their waters. International law disagrees with both.

[Walt]

I remember when the Republicans were not a puppet of the Russians. Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

The kerfuffle around the UK ship in Crimean waters was essentially a commercial - they're selling naval stuff to the Ukrainians, that's all.

[moon]

I think most people would agree that Crimea is 'Russian'.

Considering that it was already Russian when a drunken USSR leader, Khrushshev , a Ukrainian, handed it to Ukraine without a government quorum - therefore illegally under Russian law- and that almost 100% of Crimeans voted to return to Russia in a recent, legal, referendum then yes, you'd be right.
Should some mindless Western bunglers decide to proceed with taking Ukraine into NATO then Russia will invade it and annex the whole fucking country permanently. Every political dumbass with half an eye on world affairs knows that already.