All roads lead to Wuhan

[BartenderElite]

I don’t blindly defend him. Trump said some stupid stuff but what he *did* was mostly good and he gets zero credit for any of it. And as I’ve posted countless times, once the virus got established it didn’t really matter who was in the WH to a very large extent. It was going to spread, we were going to have a pandemic and the board was already set before we even realized [‘we’ includes Trump] it.

But that’s in the rear view mirror. So that leaves the question of the virus’s origin. Like I said in the OP, this could be the scandal of our lifetimes and that’s not hyperbole. Or they could come up with a zoonotic link but the prospect of that decreases with every month that goes by and it’s already taken longer than usual.

I’ll be skeptical of an ‘inconclusive’ finding and we all should be.

What he did was "mostly good"? Where is that coming from?

He held superspreader events. He is on tape admitting that he didn't tell the truth to the American people. He downplayed & lied about the virus, and gave constant contradictory messages about basic things like social distancing. He sewed confusion about the virus every step of the way. He discouraged testing. He made the idea of wearing masks a debate.

What he did was all bad. Not mostly good.

[Geeko Sportivo]

I'll take that as a "Yes". Lmfao

If you can't grow a brain- at least, grow a pair of balls and leave it to your offspring! [GEEKO SPORTIVO]



^^^THIS IS YOU DRAGGING YOUR KNUCKLES!

[Yakuda]

If you can't grow a brain- at least, grow a pair of balls and leave it to your offspring! [GEEKO SPORTIVO]



^^^THIS IS YOU DRAGGING YOUR KNUCKLES!

So in other words you're a retarded cunt. Thanks but we knew that already.

[Whythink]

So in other words you're a retarded cunt. Thanks but we knew that already.

Day after day. Nothing to say...

[Yakuda]

Day after day. Nothing to say...

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Day after day you continue to be a cunt. And apparently a boring one.

[martin]

Sounds more like you're shifting away from it's origin. You must be a fan of communist China.

Your post encapsulates the reasoning of the Right. I detest Communist China. For all I know the origin was the claimed lab leak. Not much we can do about it now. Not much we can do about the miserable record of
the Trump administration in dealing with the pandemic in this country either. What we can do is hold China and Trump historically accountable for their respective failures and not obscure the responsibility of one
by focusing exclusively on the other.

[dukkha]

Your post encapsulates the reasoning of the Right. I detest Communist China. For all I know the origin was the claimed lab leak. Not much we can do about it now. Not much we can do about the miserable record of
the Trump administration in dealing with the pandemic in this country either. What we can do is hold China and Trump historically accountable for their respective failures and not obscure the responsibility of one
by focusing exclusively on the other.

Trump did allhe could, including travel bans, lockdowns. and got the vaccines done in record time

The fact you put Trump in the same category as the CCP -is sickening TDS - you are one fucked up poster

[Bill]

Short clip from about the ties between the Wuhan virology lab and several of the ‘players’ involved in what may turn out to be the scandal of our lifetimes.

The young woman is Natalie Winters, a twenty year old sophomore at University of Chicago. In between her studies she does *actual* investigative reporting. And she should teach a course on it for the rest of the media. It was because of her work that the WHO was *forced* to dump Peter Daszok.

IOW, the only reason they did was because of the work by this—kid[?] that was a HS senior two years ago. She’s a story all by herself. If I was a Swamp Critter I wouldn’t want her on my tail because she digs deep and deals in nothing but facts and stays on it like a Pit Bull.

She’s after Fauci next and he better hope he’s clean.

So what would you like to see happen to China if something is said to have happened, real or made up??

[cancel2 2022]

So what would you like to see happen to China if something is said to have happened, real or made up??

Forewarned is forearmed, ever heard that?

[martin]

Trump did allhe could, including travel bans, lockdowns. and got the vaccines done in record time

The fact you put Trump in the same category as the CCP -is sickening TDS - you are one fucked up poster

Separate categories, genius, each derelict in its own way.

https://fortune.com/2020/11/13/covid...s-coronavirus/

[LV426]

Trump did allhe could, including travel bans, lockdowns. and got the vaccines done in record time

Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies.

First of all, Trump was the LAST WORLD LEADER to put a travel ban on China, and then completely undermined that ban by bringing 40,000 COVID-infected people back into the US, and didn't trace, screen, test, or quarantine any of them. So your shitty travel ban, that you are pretending was a good thing, was probably more responsible for spreading COVID around the country than anything or anyone else at the start . Why? Because you brought 40,000 infected people into the country and let them run amok.

You did that.

Secondly, you and Trump both completely opposed the lockdowns, and Trump never locked anything down. In fact, most red states didn't lock down shit, or reversed the lockdown within a month of instituting it. That's why COVID then spread everywhere else in the country, after being contained in NY.

Thirdly, why did Trump take 3 months to announce Warp Speed, even though almost every pharma company had been developing a vaccine since January 2020, and he was briefed in 2019 about the COVID threat?

The fact you put Drumpf in the same category as the CCP -is sickening TDS - you are one fucked up poster

You and Trump are both equally responsible for causing the pandemic in the US because you both lied your asses off about COVID for three months, wasted everyone's time with miracle cures and snake oil, and then delayed, delayed, delayed any expediting of a vaccine.

You say the vaccines were done in record time, but that had nothing to do with Trump deciding to finally be a cheerleader 4 months into the virus

[Bill]

Forewarned is forearmed, ever heard that?

no

[dukkha]

Separate categories, genius, each derelict in its own way.

https://fortune.com/2020/11/13/covid...s-coronavirus/

junk the PPE were depleted from the Obama adm. -but you want to blame Trump.

Biden cled the travel bans "racist and xenophobic" but you want to blame Trump because what?
They werent done fast enough? or the Europe ban wasnt fast enough?

Hindsight is 20/20 but at the time there was still doubt of human to human transmisssion

Trump followed Fauci's advice to the letter; he was the "expert".

And I notice no credit for the vaccines - and astounding fete

[Phantasmal]

I don’t blindly defend him. Trump said some stupid stuff but what he *did* was mostly good and he gets zero credit for any of it. And as I’ve posted countless times, once the virus got established it didn’t really matter who was in the WH to a very large extent. It was going to spread, we were going to have a pandemic and the board was already set before we even realized [‘we’ includes Trump] it.

But that’s in the rear view mirror. So that leaves the question of the virus’s origin. Like I said in the OP, this could be the scandal of our lifetimes and that’s not hyperbole. Or they could come up with a zoonotic link but the prospect of that decreases with every month that goes by and it’s already taken longer than usual.

I’ll be skeptical of an ‘inconclusive’ finding and we all should be.

. x 1,000,000

[Bill]

Separate categories, genius, each derelict in its own way.

https://fortune.com/2020/11/13/covid...s-coronavirus/

New research from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health details the U.S. government’s egregious mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic, identifies a powerful predictor of COVID-19 deaths, and suggests responses that could still alleviate the pandemic’s damage.

The study’s damning conclusion: “The evidence suggests that ineffective national policies and responses, especially as compared to those of other wealthy nations or compared to the intricate preparation and planning by previous administrations of both parties, have been driving the terrible toll of COVID-19 and its inequities in the U.S.”

The costliest errors were committed in the pandemic’s earliest stages, the study finds. The Trump administration’s initial U.S. travel ban on Jan. 31 applied only to non-U.S. travelers and only to travelers coming from China, though the virus was “already known to be present in Italy, Iran, Spain, Germany, Finland, and the United Kingdom.” No symptom screening on arrival was required, nor was quarantining. Later research “found repeatedly” that “the great majority” of the virus introductions to the U.S. came not from China but from European strains.

The U.S. imposed restrictions on travel from Europe in mid-March, but by then it was too late. The virus had already spread so widely in the U.S. that when it arrived in a new state or region, it most likely came from elsewhere in the country. “This shows that any action to prevent introductions would need to be at the national level,” the study finds, “and while the window for effective action was brief, it was missed.”

Several other countries handled the pandemic far more effectively. For example, Australia closed its borders to all non-Australian citizens on March 15, when only 300 cases had been reported, and mandated “14-day, supervised quarantine in a hotel for all international arrivals (including Australian citizens)” plus “aggressive testing and contact tracing.” As of Nov. 12, Australia had recorded 36 COVID-19 deaths per million vs. 773 COVID-19 deaths per million in the U.S., says the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center. “This is the difference between establishing effective national border policies and failing to do so,” the researchers say.

Those blunders can’t be corrected, but others can be. The study identifies three workplace policy mistakes that could still be remedied at any time.

Failure to use federal authority and budget to supply PPE. Eight months into the pandemic, over 80% of U.S. nurses report they are still reusing at least one type of single-use PPE, says a recent survey by National Nurses United, the country’s largest registered nurses’ labor union. From the pandemic’s beginning, the Harvard study finds, “supplying PPE was delegated to a variety of actors: state and city governments, large hospital chains, and in some cases small networks of clinics.” Washington could have used its spending power and its authority under the Defense Production Act to secure adequate supplies, if not immediately, then certainly by now.

Failure to require “mandatory universal paid sick leave for those unable to work due to COVID-19.” The Families First Coronavirus Response Act provides for some COVID-related leave, including family and medical leave, but it does not cover most federal employees or apply to employers with more than 500 employees.

Failure to mandate “standards for occupational exposures.” Such standards turn out to be extremely important: The researchers discovered that the volume of worker complaints to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration raising concerns about workplace conditions and exposure to COVID-19 are an excellent predictor of COVID-19 deaths 16 days later. Several states, but not all, have mandated such standards. For example, in July, Virginia issued rules on distancing, face coverings, cleaning, and other factors affecting employee exposure to the virus.

Though the study is discouraging, the researchers find reason for hope: “Despite the understandable dismay at the state of the pandemic in the United States, it is not too late to make a difference, and that difference starts with the implementation of apt policies.”