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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Mongolica View Post
    When the idea was first presented, it seemed interesting, but now that we have about a decade of information showing the results, it's not exactly a success story.

    I would post a link to what I'm talking about, but it appears that I don't have enough posts yet to do that. Just look up addiction rates in Portugal. Nearly every substance saw a rise after decriminalization, and some of them were quite dramatic.
    https://time.com/longform/portugal-d...iminalization/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Portugal is a great model!
    Homicide rate there went up by 60%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Mongolica View Post
    When the idea was first presented, it seemed interesting, but now that we have about a decade of information showing the results, it's not exactly a success story.

    I would post a link to what I'm talking about, but it appears that I don't have enough posts yet to do that. Just look up addiction rates in Portugal. Nearly every substance saw a rise after decriminalization, and some of them were quite dramatic.
    difficult to compare addiction rates to when it was illegal to now easily counted under decriminalization.
    But the big win is for harm reduction to both the addicts and society, by legalization/decrim

    and the drug cartels. etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Portugal is a great model!
    Mixed Results For Portugal's Great Drug Experiment

    When Portugal decriminalized all illegal drugs in 2000, officials hoped to reduce addiction rates and drug-related violence. Today, more users are in rehab, but drug use is on the rise, and reporter Keith O'Brien says the policy has made the problem worse.

    https://www.npr.org/2011/01/20/13308...rug-Experiment

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    I understand that they favor this approach due to it encouraging people to seek treatment, but I like the Malaysian approach. Drug trafficking still happens there, but not as much as here, since those who are caught are killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Mongolica View Post
    I understand that they favor this approach due to it encouraging people to seek treatment, but I like the Malaysian approach. Drug trafficking still happens there, but not as much as here, since those who are caught are killed.
    Now I am curious.

    BTW, this is turning into a good discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    difficult to compare addiction rates to when it was illegal to now easily counted under decriminalization.
    But the big win is for harm reduction to both the addicts and society, by legalization/decrim

    and the drug cartels. etc
    It is true that legalization makes the recording of rates easier. Still, rates don't seem to be that high in countries that take an extremely harsh approach, like Malaysia.

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    One thing's for sure, we would have less of a problem with the border crisis had we delegalized, say, cocaine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Now I am curious.

    BTW, this is turning into a good discussion.
    Thanks. In Malaysia, the amount regarded as "trafficking" is pretty low for most drugs, and since the penalty is death, you don't exactly have repeat offenders.

    To clarify my earlier post, the "encouraging" reference was to your link about Portugal's policy. I don't think Malaysia's focus is on encouraging people to seek treatment. Their approach is to just discourage people from using (or selling) drugs in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    One thing's for sure, we would have less of a problem with the border crisis had we delegalized, say, cocaine.
    Most of the money made by cartels is in human trafficking. Legalizing or decriminalizing all drugs would reduce the value of most substances, but it wouldn't really affect the biggest moneymaker for cartels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Mongolica View Post
    Most of the money made by cartels is in human trafficking.
    Never heard of that. Will you cite a source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Mongolica View Post
    It is true that legalization makes the recording of rates easier. Still, rates don't seem to be that high in countries that take an extremely harsh approach, like Malaysia.
    no. if you want to start putting junkies to death, we can discuss that alternative approach

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Mongolica View Post
    Most of the money made by cartels is in human trafficking. Legalizing or decriminalizing all drugs would reduce the value of most substances, but it wouldn't really affect the biggest moneymaker for cartels.
    That's quite a claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Mongolica View Post
    Most of the money made by cartels is in human trafficking. Legalizing or decriminalizing all drugs would reduce the value of most substances, but it wouldn't really affect the biggest moneymaker for cartels.
    human smuggling (coyotes) is certainly the cash cow right now but drugs
    make a lot up money, and seizures are way up. in some cases 2x already in 6 months then all of last year

    And drugs are repeat customers, and easily used to corrupt police etc.
    About the only "good thing" is black kids slinging dope to make money off suburban white boys
    if you want to look at it that way
    some of the corner boys care for their whole family with the money made

    EDIT: legal weed is still expensive -the money just goes to the dispensaries and taxes instead of cartels

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Never heard of that. Will you cite a source?
    I'm not sure if I'm able to post links yet, since I tried a few posts ago without being allowed to. What I've been able to find suggests that human trafficking is the second most profitable market for cartels and other criminals. The sources seem to state that drugs the most profitable after all, but the gap doesn't seem very large.

    I guess that just means that less drug trade would result in more human trafficking to make up the difference then.

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