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    None of that helps us understand where we are today two hundred plus years later
    CRT doesn't help anyone understand anything. It's a lie filled Marxist dogma intended to divide and fool gullible dipshits like you into thinking Jim Crow never ended.
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    If you want to exchange racial dog whistles with race hustlers that is fine. It's selling a story of racism, oppression and victimology to gain power that has had a continued negative influence on large numbers of people even when things have changed.

    We can go into way more detail but that's it at a high level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    No it is not, it is an opinion, an interpretation of events, not factual, and I might add, a bit paranoid, Marxism” thrown around every other sentence is an automatic red flag
    OK it’s at least a theory. Throw out Marxism but what about this: “ division by race and status becomes the basis for indoctrinating students into racial class warfare.”
    I can see no other reason to be an advocate of CRT than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    No it is not, it is an opinion, an interpretation of events, not factual, and I might add, a bit paranoid, Marxism” thrown around every other sentence is an automatic red flag
    Did the United State of America exist in 1619? Yes or no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post

    None of that helps us understand where we are today two hundred plus years later
    Let’s say I go to some private liberal arts university, major in CRT and have a thorough understanding of “where we are today”. Then what?

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    Hello ZappasGuitar,

    Thanks for this great thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    This nation will NEVER have an honest discussion about Critical Race Theory until the GOP STOPS LYING ABOUT IT...


    Ted Cruz's erroneous definition of Critical Race Theory explains WHITE America

    The Texas Senator is apparently confused about CRT and the KKK.



    At the conservative Faith and Freedom Forum this past week, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, launched an attack on critical race theory. Such rants have become a staple for Republicans lately, but Cruz set himself apart by asserting that the legal theory was “every bit as racist as the Klansmen in white sheets.”

    Cruz offered no evidence for these claims, because there is none.

    To say this is nonsense feels painfully obvious. The Ku Klux Klan’s ideology began with the premise that racial differences were an obvious biological and scientific fact and that all human activities had to be organized around that fact; critical race theorists take as their starting point the belief that race is a fiction, that it’s an invented concept that has no basis in biology or science.

    The Klan worked to put its racist beliefs into action through Jim Crow laws in the South and immigration restrictions for the nation as a whole; critical race theorists have devoted themselves to identifying the remainders of that racism in the law and rooting it out.

    And, most obviously, the KKK was a terrorist organization responsible for decades of white supremacist violence that included thousands of murders, mutilations and bombings of African Americans and other minorities. The law school professors behind critical race theory are not.

    Despite the vast differences between the Klan and critical race theorists, Cruz twisted himself into knots insisting they were the same by grossly misrepresenting the scholarly field. "Critical race theory says every white person is a racist," the senator asserted. "Critical race theory says America's fundamentally racist and irredeemably racist. Critical race theory seeks to turn us against each other and if someone has a different color skin, seeks to make us hate that person."

    Cruz offered no evidence for these claims, because there is none. Far from arguing that individual white people are all racist, critical race theorists assert that focusing on the actions of individuals is meaningless because racism is more deeply rooted in larger structural and systemic problems.

    Rather than believing America is “irredeemably racist,” critical race theorists have stated that their reckoning with the submerged role of racism in America is a path to redeem the nation and fulfill the promises of emancipation and the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. Critical race theorists also do not seek to turn Americans against each other, but rather to help them understand the actual history of the nation they share as citizens.

    While Cruz’s claim that critical race theorists are “every bit as racist” as Klansmen is laughable, it notably fits into a larger historical pattern in which white southerners asserted that the critics of white supremacy were just as bad — or worse — than the defenders of white supremacy.

    During the civil rights era, segregationist leaders across the South complained that they were being besieged by “extremists on both sides,” by which they meant white supremacist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and its white-collar counterpart, the White Citizens’ Councils, and civil rights organizations, like the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)

    In Louisiana, Democratic Governor Russell Long in 1956 blamed racial troubles in his state on “extremists” he saw in both the NAACP, which was seeking enforcement of the Supreme Court’s rulings against school segregation, and the White Citizens’ Councils, which was working furiously to block its implementation. The Louisiana legislature even tried to ban the NAACP, notably using a law originally designed to crack down on the Klan.

    In South Carolina, Judge J. Henry Johnson told a grand jury in 1958 that both sides of the civil rights struggle were to blame for racial turmoil in the region. “The NAACP is just as bad as the KKK,” the segregationist asserted, because he believed both as “violence inciting organizations.” (Cruz might be interested to note that the judge also disparaged Communists, who he said tended to be “first or second generation Americans with names ending in X, or Y, or Z.”)

    This is a tried-and-true line of attack from those who wish to preserve the status quo.

    As government officials like Long and Johnson advanced this false equivalency between civil rights organizations like the NAACP and white supremacist ones like the KKK or White Citizens’ Councils, ordinary white southerners soon drew the same conclusion.

    In 1962, for instance, a letter to the editor of the Knoxville Herald argued that the NAACP and the KKK were in the same class. “Both are extremists,” the correspondent claimed. “Both incite violence. Both have the hate that is not part of the American way of life.”

    Convincing ordinary Americans that the enemies of the Klan were just as bad as the Klan itself was, of course, the entire point. It still is.

    This is a tried-and-true line of attack from those who wish to preserve the status quo, but in this instance it’s especially egregious. Critical race theorists seek to expose the ways in which white supremacists — like Long, the Louisiana state legislature, or Johnson — abused the powers of their offices to embed racist principles and policies in our political and legal systems.

    It’s bad enough that Cruz slanders them. But it’s even worse that he uses the exact same line of argument against them that those segregationists did.

    https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/ted-cr...white-n1271484
    Cruz = history repeating itself.
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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I'm not trying to discourage further conversation, but I don't know what an "honest discussion" would involve that has not already been said again and again. When some say "we need to have a discussion about..." suggests we have not already discussed it. There is no element of race relations in the U. S. that has not been studied, written about, discussed, taught in schools....

    Those that say we need to have a conversation about....usually mean everybody does not accept their views on the topic, not that we haven't discussed it.
    Discussions can lead to great new ideas. Discussions should be continued.

    History repeats itself. Discussions about history are logically going to be redundant. But that is not to say that a new mind which has not been privy to previous discussions might not see it in a different light and thus add an element not previously considered.

    Certainly it makes no sense to think that if everyone were to cease discussing such a serious long standing problem, that it would just go away by itself.
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    Hello ZappasGuitar,

    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    This country has yet to have an honest discussion of CRT because every time we try, partisan GOP shills divert the conversation with the same nonsense Cruz brings up.

    To claim Critical Race Theory is “every bit as racist as the Klansmen in white sheets” as Cruz claims is just nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    No it is not, it is an opinion, an interpretation of events, not factual, and I might add, a bit paranoid, Marxism” thrown around every other sentence is an automatic red flag
    It is Marxist. Most of the prominent academics that have created CRT are actual Marxist Communists.

    https://www.blackagendareport.com/in...rxist-critique
    https://socialistworker.org/2017/08/...ersectionality
    Kimberly Crenshaw is a Marxist Communist.

    Derrick Bell wasn't but his theories were used to build CRT by Marxists.

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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Critical Race Theory derives from Critical Legal Theory (invented by Harvard professor Derrick Bell), that came from Critical Theory, and that from Critical Pedagogy. Critical Pedagogy was the invention of Brazilian Communist Paulo Freire.
    It has not been established that Freire was a communist. He was widely regarded in capitalist society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    This nation will NEVER have an honest discussion about Critical Race Theory until the GOP STOPS LYING ABOUT IT...


    Ted Cruz's erroneous definition of Critical Race Theory explains WHITE America

    The Texas Senator is apparently confused about CRT and the KKK.



    At the conservative Faith and Freedom Forum this past week, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, launched an attack on critical race theory. Such rants have become a staple for Republicans lately, but Cruz set himself apart by asserting that the legal theory was “every bit as racist as the Klansmen in white sheets.”

    Cruz offered no evidence for these claims, because there is none.

    To say this is nonsense feels painfully obvious. The Ku Klux Klan’s ideology began with the premise that racial differences were an obvious biological and scientific fact and that all human activities had to be organized around that fact; critical race theorists take as their starting point the belief that race is a fiction, that it’s an invented concept that has no basis in biology or science.

    The Klan worked to put its racist beliefs into action through Jim Crow laws in the South and immigration restrictions for the nation as a whole; critical race theorists have devoted themselves to identifying the remainders of that racism in the law and rooting it out.

    And, most obviously, the KKK was a terrorist organization responsible for decades of white supremacist violence that included thousands of murders, mutilations and bombings of African Americans and other minorities. The law school professors behind critical race theory are not.

    Despite the vast differences between the Klan and critical race theorists, Cruz twisted himself into knots insisting they were the same by grossly misrepresenting the scholarly field. "Critical race theory says every white person is a racist," the senator asserted. "Critical race theory says America's fundamentally racist and irredeemably racist. Critical race theory seeks to turn us against each other and if someone has a different color skin, seeks to make us hate that person."

    Cruz offered no evidence for these claims, because there is none. Far from arguing that individual white people are all racist, critical race theorists assert that focusing on the actions of individuals is meaningless because racism is more deeply rooted in larger structural and systemic problems.

    Rather than believing America is “irredeemably racist,” critical race theorists have stated that their reckoning with the submerged role of racism in America is a path to redeem the nation and fulfill the promises of emancipation and the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. Critical race theorists also do not seek to turn Americans against each other, but rather to help them understand the actual history of the nation they share as citizens.

    While Cruz’s claim that critical race theorists are “every bit as racist” as Klansmen is laughable, it notably fits into a larger historical pattern in which white southerners asserted that the critics of white supremacy were just as bad — or worse — than the defenders of white supremacy.

    During the civil rights era, segregationist leaders across the South complained that they were being besieged by “extremists on both sides,” by which they meant white supremacist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and its white-collar counterpart, the White Citizens’ Councils, and civil rights organizations, like the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)

    In Louisiana, Democratic Governor Russell Long in 1956 blamed racial troubles in his state on “extremists” he saw in both the NAACP, which was seeking enforcement of the Supreme Court’s rulings against school segregation, and the White Citizens’ Councils, which was working furiously to block its implementation. The Louisiana legislature even tried to ban the NAACP, notably using a law originally designed to crack down on the Klan.

    In South Carolina, Judge J. Henry Johnson told a grand jury in 1958 that both sides of the civil rights struggle were to blame for racial turmoil in the region. “The NAACP is just as bad as the KKK,” the segregationist asserted, because he believed both as “violence inciting organizations.” (Cruz might be interested to note that the judge also disparaged Communists, who he said tended to be “first or second generation Americans with names ending in X, or Y, or Z.”)

    This is a tried-and-true line of attack from those who wish to preserve the status quo.

    As government officials like Long and Johnson advanced this false equivalency between civil rights organizations like the NAACP and white supremacist ones like the KKK or White Citizens’ Councils, ordinary white southerners soon drew the same conclusion.

    In 1962, for instance, a letter to the editor of the Knoxville Herald argued that the NAACP and the KKK were in the same class. “Both are extremists,” the correspondent claimed. “Both incite violence. Both have the hate that is not part of the American way of life.”

    Convincing ordinary Americans that the enemies of the Klan were just as bad as the Klan itself was, of course, the entire point. It still is.

    This is a tried-and-true line of attack from those who wish to preserve the status quo, but in this instance it’s especially egregious. Critical race theorists seek to expose the ways in which white supremacists — like Long, the Louisiana state legislature, or Johnson — abused the powers of their offices to embed racist principles and policies in our political and legal systems.

    It’s bad enough that Cruz slanders them. But it’s even worse that he uses the exact same line of argument against them that those segregationists did.

    https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/ted-cr...white-n1271484
    The very last fucking thing you leftist counts want is an "honest discussion" about anything let alone race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    This country has yet to have an honest discussion of CRT because every time we try, partisan GOP shills divert the conversation with the same nonsense Cruz brings up.

    To claim Critical Race Theory is “every bit as racist as the Klansmen in white sheets” as Cruz claims is just nonsense.
    Whatever Cruz and other Republicans do has not stopped "honest" discussions of CRT or anything else. Those discussions have been occurring in schools, workplaces, among friends and neighbors, on TV, radio, internet media programs.

    Many of these discussions did not specifically discuss CRT, but it contains nothing not already examined and discussed (just not under that title). It can be summed up in a few sentences and many either accept or reject its premises. And "honest discussion" does not mean repeating it until everybody accepts its premises.

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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Critical Race Theory derives from Critical Legal Theory (invented by Harvard professor Derrick Bell), that came from Critical Theory, and that from Critical Pedagogy. Critical Pedagogy was the invention of Brazilian Communist Paulo Freire. The central tenant of it is that ‘all education is political indoctrination.’ It uses Marxist economic class struggle as its core. See Freire’s book, Pedagogy of the Oppressed (1968) for more on that.

    CRT does the same thing as Critical Pedagogy only with the classes defined by race. In CRT there are racial groups that are oppressed and others that are oppressors. These are defined by cherry picked examples of individuals within those groups and then applied to the group as a whole. Thus, for the CRT advocate, there are individual Whites that are racists by example and that makes all Whites racist as they are deemed an oppressor group. Individual Black racists are ignored because Blacks as a group are deemed oppressed. This division by race and status becomes the basis for indoctrinating students into racial class warfare.

    An example of CRT in action would be using The 1619 Project to teach history from a racial perspective. As history, The 1619 Project has been thoroughly discredited. Historians, including many Leftist ones, have panned it as a work of fiction. The New York Times made a retraction of claims it was historically accurate. Yet, it is used, including in thousands of schools, to teach history as a racial struggle as CRT requires.

    CRT is radical Leftist indoctrination and nothing else. It seeks to turn groups by race against each other to tear down society so it can be reborn into a Marxist utopia.
    How would you seek to end racial inequality if not by learning and teaching how it works?

    Freire was extremely successful in teaching illiterate workers to read by offering lessons with which they could identify.

    Is CRT a similar method to teach about racism in terms in which people can identify?
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    How does anyone expect oppressed black people to build their own future while constantly being pushed down by the systems of our society?

    It happens sometimes, but generally, the systemic roadblocks to success for oppressed blacks are effective in causing black poverty to be sustained from one generation to the next. This poverty began in slavery, and despite being freed, has been reinforced by powerful whites ever since. And it has gone on ever since.

    The existence of the black underclass in America is a national shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Who cares what your scurrilous sources claim? It's just opinion.

    "Marxist bullshit" is the new catch-all phrase barked out by the typical Reichtard like yourself when presented with something that might possibly benefit someone other than yourself.
    You are an exceedingly stupid woman, it's clear that you've never heard of them. I would say that was incredibly racist to dismiss black writers that you don't know, but that's you! Maybe you can call them Uncle Toms as well like your bestie Guano?

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