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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    And all you have to do is provide the readers with AN EXACT QUOTE THAT STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS from the Critical Race theory that states ‘all education is political indoctrination.’ . If you can't, then your screed is nothing more than another MAGA ideology house of cards that has just been blown down.

    Wrong. That is what Freire stated in Pedagogy of the Oppressed. That was then used to create Critical Theory, and then in turn Critical Legal Theory, and from there extended to Critical Race Theory. If you have alternate information and facts regarding the lineage of CRT and its development then by all means share them. I showed how it was thought up and created.
    Okay, once more for the cheap seats:


    I DIDN'T ASK FOR A REPETITION OF YOUR SUPPOSITION AND CONJECTURE.....I ASKED FOR A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE CRITICAL RACE THEORY PAPER THAT STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT "...all education is political indoctrination" AS YOU CLAIM. EASY ENOUGH TO DO, AS THE AUTHOR'S ORIGINAL PAPERS ARE AVAILABLE ON LINE.

    IF YOU CAN'T, THAT MAKES YOU A LIAR NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES AND WAYS YOUR REPEAT YOURSELF. GOEBBELS WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU.
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    Critical Race Theory has become a label for EVERY SINGLE WHITE MAN'S GRIEVANCE. What they THINK it is and what it actually is are two completely different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Except that isn't anywhere in Pedagogy of the Oppressed, so you are angry about something purely imaginary.




    And you object to that, why?




    And you have a problem with this, why?




    Nothing in that pervious sentence indicates a division or separation of people into groups. Empowering a group that has previously been powerless is not separating anything or anyone, and you can't articulate how it does that.

    All you've argued against is education within context, because that context undermines the myth of exceptionalism that explains your complacency.




    I asked you to articulate in your own words without plagiarizing, what you had a problem with and you couldn't even do that.
    THANKS! Problem with this Maga hat folk is that they continuously try to pass off their supposition, conjecture and sometimes out right revisionism as FACT. Taken to task as you did here, they just reveal themselves as lame propagandist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    Save your energy.

    He can't.
    I know, but I find it curiously amusing as he repeats himself as if that'll make his blathering magically come true.
    Last edited by Taichiliberal; 06-23-2021 at 08:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Here's the leading academic talking about CRT on MSNBC with a very friendly show host:

    https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/wa...w-115226693996

    At 2:45 in the interview, Joy Reid asks Kimberle Crenshaw "Is Critical Race Theory Marxist?"
    For the next two minutes, all the way to 4:44, Crenshaw gives a rambling answer that never touches on whether CRT is Marxist or not. She completely avoids the question.

    Why is that you ask? Because she knows damn well it's Marxist.


    https://www.blackagendareport.com/in...rxist-critique

    As Crenshaw herself readily admits, CRT is an offshoot of Critical Legal Theory / Study. This is utterly and completely Marxist in origin, and Crenshaw is a major advocate of it, not to mention contributor to the theory.


    https://cyber.harvard.edu/bridge/Cri.../critical2.htm


    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=2633885


    https://philpapers.org/rec/AKICLS

    You can buy Crenshaw's book (or maybe get it at a library)



    It too admits the Marxist origins of CRT in CLT.

    Of course, the advocates of CRT know that admitting CRT is derived from Marxist origins is a kiss of death to getting it used in academia, and particularly in K - 12 where it is being pushed down. This is why they cannot and will not answer basic questions about it other than in rambling didactic answers full of obfuscation and red herrings.
    Crenshaw is an admitted Marxist, so naturally she bends over backwards to paint any and all social movements as such in origin. However, here from one of your own links is a caveat that I'm sure you missed, so I underscored and highlighted the following: ".... Some critical scholars adapt ideas drawn from Marxist and socialist theories to demonstrate how economic power relationships influence legal practices and consciousness. For others, the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory and its attention to the construction of cultural and psycho-social meanings are central to explaining how law uses mechanisms of denial and legitimation. Still others find resonance with postmodernist sensibilities and deconstruction, notably illustrated in literary and architectural works. Some scholars emphasize the importance of narratives and stories in devising critical alternatives to prevailing legal practices. Many critical legal scholars draw upon intellectual currents in literature, pop culture, social theory, history, and other fields to challenge the idea of the individual as a stable, coherent self, capable of universal reason and guided by general laws of nature. In contrast, argue critical scholars, individuals are constituted by complex and completing sources of ideology, social practice, and power relationships.

    SO ONCE AGAIN, CAN YOU PRODUCE FROM THE ORIGINAL PAPERS THAT ORIGIN "CRITICAL RACE THEORY" THAT STATE AS YOU CLAIM THAT THEY ARE OF MARXIST ORIGIN, MUCH LESS CALLING EDUCATION "PROPAGANDA"? The reading audience awaits.
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    Apropos to this thread, here's a little butt burner for those all bent out of shape about CRT:


    Black Before Columbus Came: The African Discovery of America |
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Okay, once more for the cheap seats:


    I DIDN'T ASK FOR A REPETITION OF YOUR SUPPOSITION AND CONJECTURE.....I ASKED FOR A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE CRITICAL RACE THEORY PAPER THAT STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT "...all education is political indoctrination" AS YOU CLAIM. EASY ENOUGH TO DO, AS THE AUTHOR'S ORIGINAL PAPERS ARE AVAILABLE ON LINE.

    IF YOU CAN'T, THAT MAKES YOU A LIAR NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES AND WAYS YOUR REPEAT YOURSELF. GOEBBELS WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU.
    This amounts to no more than a litany of logical fallacies, variously:

    Trivial objections (a subset of red herring arguments) also sometimes called logic chopping
    Appeal to the stone
    Argumentum ad baculum
    Burden of proof
    Continuum or line drawing

    Essentially, your responses boil down to increasingly shrill demands for more and more proof to a point where it is obvious that no matter how much is presented it will never be enough. So, maybe at this point you should focus on discrediting the notion that it is Marxist with some evidence of your own rather than dismiss out-of-hand without counter evidence what I've presented then demand more evidence from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Crenshaw is an admitted Marxist, so naturally she bends over backwards to paint any and all social movements as such in origin. However, here from one of your own links is a caveat that I'm sure you missed, so I underscored and highlighted the following: ".... Some critical scholars adapt ideas drawn from Marxist and socialist theories to demonstrate how economic power relationships influence legal practices and consciousness. For others, the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory and its attention to the construction of cultural and psycho-social meanings are central to explaining how law uses mechanisms of denial and legitimation. Still others find resonance with postmodernist sensibilities and deconstruction, notably illustrated in literary and architectural works. Some scholars emphasize the importance of narratives and stories in devising critical alternatives to prevailing legal practices. Many critical legal scholars draw upon intellectual currents in literature, pop culture, social theory, history, and other fields to challenge the idea of the individual as a stable, coherent self, capable of universal reason and guided by general laws of nature. In contrast, argue critical scholars, individuals are constituted by complex and completing sources of ideology, social practice, and power relationships.

    SO ONCE AGAIN, CAN YOU PRODUCE FROM THE ORIGINAL PAPERS THAT ORIGIN "CRITICAL RACE THEORY" THAT STATE AS YOU CLAIM THAT THEY ARE OF MARXIST ORIGIN, MUCH LESS CALLING EDUCATION "PROPAGANDA"? The reading audience awaits.
    More of the same logical fallacies demanding ever more evidence. It is just an appeal to the stone. I could continue to provide more but it will never be enough to satisfy your requirements as you have already set your position in stone, hence the name of the fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Okay, once more for the cheap seats:


    I DIDN'T ASK FOR A REPETITION OF YOUR SUPPOSITION AND CONJECTURE.....I ASKED FOR A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE CRITICAL RACE THEORY PAPER THAT STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT "...all education is political indoctrination" AS YOU CLAIM. EASY ENOUGH TO DO, AS THE AUTHOR'S ORIGINAL PAPERS ARE AVAILABLE ON LINE.

    IF YOU CAN'T, THAT MAKES YOU A LIAR NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES AND WAYS YOUR REPEAT YOURSELF. GOEBBELS WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU.


    This amounts to no more than a litany of logical fallacies, variously:

    Trivial objections (a subset of red herring arguments) also sometimes called logic chopping
    Appeal to the stone
    Argumentum ad baculum
    Burden of proof
    Continuum or line drawing

    Essentially, your responses boil down to increasingly shrill demands for more and more proof to a point where it is obvious that no matter how much is presented it will never be enough. So, maybe at this point you should focus on discrediting the notion that it is Marxist with some evidence of your own rather than dismiss out-of-hand without counter evidence what I've presented then demand more evidence from me.

    So let's clarify for the reading audience:

    YOU make a specific, declarative statement as to the content of a current theory's thesis.

    I ask you to provide documented proof that validates said statement.

    You DO NOT PROVIDE PROOF REQUESTED, but instead repeat your personal opinion, supposition and conjecture along with analysis/opinions of OTHER theories.

    You make several accusations and claims that have no basis in reality of the chronology of the post, as clearly you do not understand or are in denial of the FACT that when YOU make an assertion, claim, statement, the burden of proof is on you when challenged.

    To date you essentially blow smoke instead of answering a simple question. https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...63#post4499963 This would indicate that you cannot meet the challenge and therefore your claim is based on nothing more than your personal supposition and conjecture. To claim anything else is a lie. So continue repeating your dodge in various forms, as the man in your mirror is the only person buying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    So let's clarify for the reading audience:

    YOU make a specific, declarative statement as to the content of a current theory's thesis.

    I ask you to provide documented proof that validates said statement.

    You DO NOT PROVIDE PROOF REQUESTED, but instead repeat your personal opinion, supposition and conjecture along with analysis/opinions of OTHER theories.

    You make several accusations and claims that have no basis in reality of the chronology of the post, as clearly you do not understand or are in denial of the FACT that when YOU make an assertion, claim, statement, the burden of proof is on you when challenged.

    To date you essentially blow smoke instead of answering a simple question. https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...63#post4499963 This would indicate that you cannot meet the challenge and therefore your claim is based on nothing more than your personal supposition and conjecture. To claim anything else is a lie. So continue repeating your dodge in various forms, as the man in your mirror is the only person buying it.
    I provided plenty of proof. You simply didn't like the level of specificity of what I provided and launched directly into a counterattack against me and that position without any sort of factual rebuttal.

    Just because you don't like the answer doesn't make the answer wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post


    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Crenshaw is an admitted Marxist, so naturally she bends over backwards to paint any and all social movements as such in origin. However, here from one of your own links is a caveat that I'm sure you missed, so I underscored and highlighted the following: ".... Some critical scholars adapt ideas drawn from Marxist and socialist theories to demonstrate how economic power relationships influence legal practices and consciousness. For others, the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory and its attention to the construction of cultural and psycho-social meanings are central to explaining how law uses mechanisms of denial and legitimation. Still others find resonance with postmodernist sensibilities and deconstruction, notably illustrated in literary and architectural works. Some scholars emphasize the importance of narratives and stories in devising critical alternatives to prevailing legal practices. Many critical legal scholars draw upon intellectual currents in literature, pop culture, social theory, history, and other fields to challenge the idea of the individual as a stable, coherent self, capable of universal reason and guided by general laws of nature. In contrast, argue critical scholars, individuals are constituted by complex and completing sources of ideology, social practice, and power relationships.

    SO ONCE AGAIN, CAN YOU PRODUCE FROM THE ORIGINAL PAPERS THAT ORIGIN "CRITICAL RACE THEORY" THAT STATE AS YOU CLAIM THAT THEY ARE OF MARXIST ORIGIN, MUCH LESS CALLING EDUCATION "PROPAGANDA"? The reading audience awaits.


    More of the same logical fallacies demanding ever more evidence. It is just an appeal to the stone. I could continue to provide more but it will never be enough to satisfy your requirements as you have already set your position in stone, hence the name of the fallacy.
    Translation: T.A.Gardner cannot provide proof of his original assertion. He just blows smoke over and over, trying to assert critiques and essays on SIMILAR venues, but to date he cannot provide his assertion from the original thesis of CRT. https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...63#post4499963

    So I leave T.A. to predictably parrot his self aggrandizing drivel and dodges....blind to his own folly as seen by the objective reader.
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    As we saw above, the appeal to the stone involves dismissing an opposing argument, without sufficient justification. As such, when you recognize someone using this fallacy against you, the best course of action is to call the other person out, and ask them to support their dismissiveness, by justifying why they find your argument to be absurd.

    For example, if someone dismisses your statement as ridiculous, you can say in response: “I understand that you think that, but can you explain why you think it’s absurd?”.

    In some cases, you can provide further evidence in order to support your original argument. However, keep in mind that defending your own stance using additional evidence often doesn’t help in this situation, since the other person will likely be dismissive of such evidence, just as they were of the original argument.
    https://effectiviology.com/appeal-to...e...%20More%20

    Argumentum ad lapidem (Latin: “appeal to the stone”) is a logical fallacy that consists in dismissing a statement as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity.

    Ad lapidem statements are fallacious because they fail to address the merits of the claim in dispute. The same applies to proof by assertion, where an unproved or disproved claim is asserted as true on no ground other than that of its truth having been asserted.
    https://cognitive-liberty.online/arg...-to-the-stone/

    Here, Tachi says because I cannot or will not provide a specific, direct, quote that he alone demands my whole argument is absurd on its face. Nothing refuting it is provided. No counter facts, no counter reasoning, nothing. It is a pure appeal to the stone argument that he's making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    https://effectiviology.com/appeal-to...e...%20More%20

    Argumentum ad lapidem (Latin: “appeal to the stone”) is a logical fallacy that consists in dismissing a statement as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity.



    https://cognitive-liberty.online/arg...-to-the-stone/

    Here, Tachi says because I cannot or will not provide a specific, direct, quote that he alone demands my whole argument is absurd on its face. Nothing refuting it is provided. No counter facts, no counter reasoning, nothing. It is a pure appeal to the stone argument that he's making.
    Would some adult in the vicinity please explain to this fool that no matter how many OPINION PIECES, PARALLEL SUBJECT ANALYSIS he produces or definitions, he has YET to provide FROM THE AUTHOR OF THE THESIS ON CRITICAL RACE THEORY an exact quote as to what he previously claimed,https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...63#post4499963

    T.A. just keeps proving my point over and over....MAGA hat wearers make poor propagandists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    SO ONCE AGAIN, CAN YOU PRODUCE FROM THE ORIGINAL PAPERS THAT ORIGIN "CRITICAL RACE THEORY" THAT STATE AS YOU CLAIM THAT THEY ARE OF MARXIST ORIGIN, MUCH LESS CALLING EDUCATION "PROPAGANDA"? The reading audience awaits.
    Or the division and separation of "groups" as he accused CRT of doing.

    He got "separation and division into groups" from this: "Critical pedagogy, on the other hand, in its attention to social justice, the empowerment of disadvantaged groups, and the social and political context of learning..."

    He said that "separated and divided people"....but doesn't say how.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    This amounts to no more than a litany of logical fallacies, variously:

    Trivial objections (a subset of red herring arguments) also sometimes called logic chopping
    Appeal to the stone
    Argumentum ad baculum
    Burden of proof
    Continuum or line drawing

    Essentially, your responses boil down to increasingly shrill demands for more and more proof to a point where it is obvious that no matter how much is presented it will never be enough. So, maybe at this point you should focus on discrediting the notion that it is Marxist with some evidence of your own rather than dismiss out-of-hand without counter evidence what I've presented then demand more evidence from me.
    So then that's a "NO", you can't provide a A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE CRITICAL RACE THEORY PAPER THAT STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT "...all education is political indoctrination" AS YOU CLAIM.

    Thank you for your concession.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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