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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The economy indicates an increased standard of living:

    "An annual report from the Census Bureau shows median household income jumped 6.8% in 2019, to $68,700. That's the highest since the government started keeping track in 1967.

    The poverty rate declined to 10.5% — the lowest since records began in 1959."
    'Quality of Life'. That's what I'm arguing for.
    In 1967 the Family had one working parent and one parent that took care of the children.
    Now, both parents are on a treadmill, looking for 'childcare', and trying to reach 'the American Dream'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The Republican party is the party of the wealthy. They work for them and against the wage earners and middle class. Somehow almost half the people work and vote against their own well-being. They are fooled by the red stress on emotional issues and wedge issues. The reds have had power many times and did nothing about those issues. They need them to run on.
    --->"Somehow almost half the people work and vote against their own well-being."

    Yes. So why would Average Working Class Americans vote for 'Open Borders'? Why would they vote to import cheap Third World Labor to Cut Wages?
    (I understand that the 'Chair Jockey Wokesters' won't be effected by this)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    HiJack!!

    She is a fruitcake and a communist.
    RB. For some reason, the Liberal, Progressive, Democrat Wokesters, all believe adding MORE PEOPLE to an already overcrowded Country is a Great Idea. Stabbing the Average American Worker in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    RB. For some reason, the Liberal, Progressive, Democrat Wokesters, all believe adding MORE PEOPLE to an already overcrowded Country is a Great Idea. Stabbing the Average American Worker in the back.
    This we can agree on. Other than votes, there's no reason to allow illegals anything, including constitutional rights. I've mentioned what I'd use them for before...
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    This we can agree on. Other than votes, there's no reason to allow illegals anything, including constitutional rights. I've mentioned what I'd use them for before...
    Uh, ... pretty sure 'Illegals' can't vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    'Quality of Life'. That's what I'm arguing for.
    In 1967 the Family had one working parent and one parent that took care of the children.
    Now, both parents are on a treadmill, looking for 'childcare', and trying to reach 'the American Dream'.
    In 1967 that one-worker family had a lot lower standard of living than families today. American families could easily get by on one salary if we were willing to live at that standard. Today, families often have two earners because 1) we want more 2) women are more interested in a profession.

    If it was because they had to work to pay bills, we would see women with lower incomes working; instead, we see women with college degrees with husbands earning a middle class income who are more likely to work.

    Americans today pay less for almost every product than they did years ago--whether adjusted for inflation or actual cost. A large flat screen TV today is less than a 19" color TV in 1980. Americans pay a smaller percentage of their income for food, clothing, transportation than in those years. The only thing we pay more for is housing but that is for a much large home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    --->"Somehow almost half the people work and vote against their own well-being."

    Yes. So why would Average Working Class Americans vote for 'Open Borders'? Why would they vote to import cheap Third World Labor to Cut Wages?
    (I understand that the 'Chair Jockey Wokesters' won't be effected by this)
    Immigration has helped our economy. Immigrants start more businesses than residents. There have been bills to elevate the min wage for many years and the Repubs blocked them. That is how you stop companies from undercutting American workers. https://www.cbpp.org/research/povert...dministrations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    In 1967 that one-worker family had a lot lower standard of living than families today. American families could easily get by on one salary if we were willing to live at that standard. Today, families often have two earners because 1) we want more 2) women are more interested in a profession.

    If it was because they had to work to pay bills, we would see women with lower incomes working; instead, we see women with college degrees with husbands earning a middle class income who are more likely to work.

    Americans today pay less for almost every product than they did years ago--whether adjusted for inflation or actual cost. A large flat screen TV today is less than a 19" color TV in 1980. Americans pay a smaller percentage of their income for food, clothing, transportation than in those years. The only thing we pay more for is housing but that is for a much large home.
    'Quality of Life'. Not measured in how many Toys you own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Immigration has helped our economy. Immigrants start more businesses than residents. There have been bills to elevate the min wage for many years and the Repubs blocked them. That is how you stop companies from undercutting American workers. https://www.cbpp.org/research/povert...dministrations
    Will there ever be a stopping point? At what point do you feel it's too fucking crowded?

    Uh, yeah. More Third World Workers will keep Wages high. Do you work for Koch Brothers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Will there ever be a stopping point? At what point do you feel it's too fucking crowded?

    Uh, yeah. More Third World Workers will keep Wages high. Do you work for Koch Brothers?
    Wages are determined by the min wage. Elevate it and all people's wages will go up.
    We are far from too crowded. How do you define it, population density? If so, we are no. 185. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lation_density
    Truth is, I know who is taking the people's wealth. It is not immigrants. It is the super-wealthy and the obscene wealth gap shows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Wages are determined by the min wage. Elevate it and all people's wages will go up.
    We are far from too crowded. How do you define it, population density? If so, we are no. 185. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lation_density
    Truth is, I know who is taking the people's wealth. It is not immigrants. It is the super-wealthy and the obscene wealth gap shows that.
    Who supports MORE PEOPLE from the Third World coming here? Business? The American Worker?

    Maybe you should visit NYC or L.A.
    I'm guessing when we are all shoulder to shoulder you will call for an immediate halt in Human Reproduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    'Quality of Life'. Not measured in how many Toys you own.
    What made the quality of life better in 1967? I would not trade then for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Who supports MORE PEOPLE from the Third World coming here? Business? The American Worker?

    Maybe you should visit NYC or L.A.
    I'm guessing when we are all shoulder to shoulder you will call for an immediate halt in Human Reproduction.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...ulation-growth

    Some parts of the US are already beginning to experience some of the downsides of population slowdown or decline: Shrinking tax bases in rural areas have made it harder for government budgets to support essential services, such as infrastructure and public schools. As population growth slows, the pressure for cuts will likely grow. Meanwhile, the existing population will continue to age; by 2030, the Census Bureau estimates that one in five US residents will be of retirement age.
    “Slow population growth, at least in the United States and a lot of other developed countries, will become a dire age dependency problem,” William Frey, a senior fellow at the Brooking Institution’s metropolitan policy program, said. “It puts a big strain on the rest of the population.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    What made the quality of life better in 1967? I would not trade then for now.
    A single Wage Earner could buy a Home and raise a Family. The Mother would be there watching the Children. People had 3 or 4 children back then.
    Now, you need both Parents working to buy a Home. Now, you need to find some stranger to raise your children. Now, maybe you have one ... two children maximum.

    I'm guessing you have no children ... but lots of Toys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...ulation-growth

    Some parts of the US are already beginning to experience some of the downsides of population slowdown or decline: Shrinking tax bases in rural areas have made it harder for government budgets to support essential services, such as infrastructure and public schools. As population growth slows, the pressure for cuts will likely grow. Meanwhile, the existing population will continue to age; by 2030, the Census Bureau estimates that one in five US residents will be of retirement age.
    “Slow population growth, at least in the United States and a lot of other developed countries, will become a dire age dependency problem,” William Frey, a senior fellow at the Brooking Institution’s metropolitan policy program, said. “It puts a big strain on the rest of the population.”
    Yes. Spoken as a Government Bureaucrat.

    1. I view this as a 'Quality of Life' issue.
    2. I also view this as 'American Worker' vs 'Third World Labor' issue.
    3. I also view this through a Political lens. Republicans are positioning themselves as 'The Party of the Working Class'. While Democrats are donning the Mantle of Elitists, too aloof to get their hands dirty.

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