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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    It's not always about you.
    I am off to watch Marnie.

    Fuck U 2 !
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaiChiLiberal View Post
    Once again, Legion is faced with facts that he doesn't have the intellectual capacity or honesty to debate. So he just ignorantly labels any and all "fallacy" while childishly mocking/insulting those who expose his intellectual impotence. Legion can NEVER read contrary information...it's just too much for him. Now, let's watch him dance the same old willfully ignorant two step.
    The chronology of the posts exposes your fallacious argument.
    Thanks for proving my point, genius...pity you never learned that repetition is useless if it repeats stupidity.

    Say goodnight, Gracie. See you next thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Whether it is by gender, class, wealth or race, humans love walling themselves into distinct categories then using those categories to create hierarchies.

    In the case of race, this hierarchical distinction ended up with slavery, countless program of ethnic cleansing and the retention of ‘othering’ based on the color of skin even to the present day.

    But what happens if we take away these racial categories that divide us into subgroups?

    If, instead of defining as black, white, Asian or any other singular category, we defined ourselves as a little bit of everything, would it herald the dawn of a more accepting, ‘post-racial’ age?

    And would that mean racism would end?

    The mixed-race population is the fastest-growing ethnic group in the UK with 2.2% of the population now identifying as having mixed heritage, up from 1.2% in 2001.

    International migration is increasing at between 1% and 2% every year, and over 240 million people are living in a country different from where they were born.

    The latest projections suggest that by 2050, up to 30% of the UK population will be from ethnic minorities and the number of people who identify as mixed-race in the UK could rise to 4.2%.

    Global travel has never been more accessible and improving tolerance has allowed for the relative normalization of interracial, heterosexual marriage – in this country at least.

    One in five younger people in the UK say that they disapprove of mixed-race marriages compared to one in four aged 55 and over – according to a study conducted by anti-racist organisation People In Harmony.

    But will multiraciality really be the end of racism in the future?

    To answer that we need to understand where racism comes from.

    Scientists generally agree that the concept of race is not grounded in biology or genetics but relies on cultural ideology rather than science.

    But that doesn’t mean that race doesn’t exist.

    The impact is still very real, with racist laws still in place in some countries.

    It becomes all the stranger when geneticists argue that all non-Africans descend from a few thousand homo-sapiens who left Africa around 60,000 years ago (though the exact date is now disputed).

    But if racism is a man-made social structure, does that mean that man can also destroy it?

    Before we can think about the future of racism, we have to deep dive into the past.

    ‘The origins of racism are rooted in colonialism so we are going back to the 15th century,’ Prof Peter Wade, professor of social anthropology at the University Of Manchester, tells Metro.co.uk.

    ‘Prior to that, there were already lots of ideas about blood in the sense of ancestry.

    ‘In the 14th century, people in Spain and Portugal who had Jewish or Muslim ancestry were discriminated against, legally.

    ‘They were then transmitted to the New World when the Spanish and the Portuguese traveled there and began to take on ideas about the inferiority of black, African blood and indigenous blood too.

    ‘The transatlantic slave trade, the conquering of Indigenous peoples, the genocide of Indigenous peoples and so on, exacerbated those kinds of beliefs.’

    But how has a set of ideologies formed seven centuries ago endured until today? Prof Wade says that the concept of racism isn’t rigid.

    ‘Racism as an ideology or the set of structures that create racialized inequality change all the time,’ he says.

    ‘Now that colonialism no longer exists and the transatlantic slave trade doesn’t exist, nevertheless, racism is able to adapt to different kinds of economic and political scenarios.’

    This slippery adaptability is the tricky thing about racism and makes it hard to predict when or how it could ever be eradicated in the future.

    It has shifted many times before.

    The Irish and the Italians were once groups seen as distinct from white people but, as they sought to distance themselves from black people, they were ultimately accepted as white.

    In the US, the perceived threat of becoming a majority non-white nation coincides with a rise in hate crimes for three consecutive years.

    The goal posts are always moving in favor of whoever holds the most power at that particular moment in history.

    And studies have shown that this fear of a loss of power is causing white Americans to develop ‘negative attitudes’ towards people of other races.

    Progressive campaigners are looking for an end to hate crimes and racial definitions.

    Removing binary racial categorisations is ambitious but, if that happens, will another arbitrary ranking system just take its place?

    The idealised view from supporters of a truly mixed-race future is a population where everyone is mixed to a similar degree, removing the need or desire for racial hierarchies.

    There are parts of the world where this ‘mixing’ has happened already.

    ‘The unequivocal lesson from Latin America is that even when everyone is mixed, racism doesn’t go away,’ explains Prof Wade, who has written books on race in Latin America.

    ‘In Latin American societies, mixture has been going on for 500 years. A majority of people in these societies would recognise themselves as mixed.

    ‘Nevertheless, we still see very clear racism, simply because some people see themselves as, and are, more European and less black or indigenous than others. Not everybody is equally mixed.

    ‘In a theoretical future scenario where everyone is mixed to the same extent, and we were all the same shade of brown – racism might still exist, but it would take a very different form.’

    Even if everyone is mixed, human beings will never look exactly the same.

    Prof Wade says even the most minuscule differences are enough to generate racial categorisations.

    ‘Human beings are incredibly attentive to fine degrees of difference,’ he says.

    ‘We are always going to be ready to attribute significance to those differences and to make hierarchical distinctions, so that some people can claim superiority based on exactly what they look like, in terms of familiar aspects like skin colour, hair type or nose shape.’

    Interracial families and mixed-race children are frequently held up as bastions of a liberal, progressive future, but the reality is that mixed-race societies can also uphold racism.

    Outside of Latin America, there aren’t many – if any – countries that claim to have a mixed-race majority population, but some Caribbean countries have a large proportion of mixed inhabitants.

    Nearly a quarter (24.2%) of the population of Trinidad and Tobago identify as mixed.

    But, like in Cuba, Brazil and the Dominican Republic, racism still persists in these countries.

    There are high levels of anti-black racism and state violence in Trinidad and Tobago today.

    Despite the evidence against it, the promise of a mixed, ‘post-racial’ future is still alluring for many.

    Lise Funderburg, author of Black, White, Other: Biracial Americans Talk About Race and Identity, thinks ‘an opportunity’ to end racism can be found with multi-racial individuals were

    ‘If we can’t slot people into familiar categories, perhaps we’ll be forced to reconsider existing definitions of race and identity, presumptions about who is us and who is them,’ she wrote in National Geographic

    ‘Perhaps we’ll all end up less parsimonious about who we feel connected to.’

    The implication is that the very presence of mixed-race people can somehow aid conflict resolution and reduce society’s need to compete, dominate and divide.

    There is in fact evidence that supports the possible social benefits that mixed-race populations can help to achieve.

    Research found that white people are more open to discussing race-related issues after exposure to a mixed-race person.

    But can these ‘qualities’ really help to eradicate racism in the future? Or is that a dangerous rhetoric?

    Academics think the idea that we ‘won’t see colour’ if everyone in the future is a similar shade of brown, is far too simplistic – that it ignores the causes and implications of racism that run so much deeper than skin tone.

    ‘I think the idea that a growing mixed-race population will offer some kind of cure for racism is highly idealistic and even dangerous,’ explains Dr Remi Joseph-Salisbury, sociology professor at Manchester University.

    ‘Such ideas belie the deep-rooted nature of racism, and run counter to the historical and contemporary lived experiences of mixed-race people.

    ‘The desire to romanticise mixed-race people as a solution to society’s racial ills is not reflective of reality. It is only reflective of the kind of stories that society would like to believe about itself.

    ‘To bring an end to racism, society would really need to grapple with its past and to consider how its institutions systematically disadvantage racially minoritized communities.

    ‘This is a far greater task than merely celebrating Meghan Markle.’

    Dr Joseph-Salisbury thinks that the superficial idolization of mixed-race people could also have damaging consequences for other minority groups.

    ‘Whilst compliments on our hair and skin-tone might appear benign, they are tied to a wider system of anti-blackness that pathologizes those with darker skin-tones and tighter hair,’ he says.

    ‘Put more simply, if we have the good hair, by implication, who has the bad hair?’

    A lot of hopes are being pinned on mixed-race communities. Is it fair or even remotely realistic to ask interracial families to carry the burden of racial resolution?

    The increased visibility of the mixed-race population may have the potential to ‘positively shift racial attitudes’ but, as study author Duke University psychologist Sarah E. Gaither has said, ‘trying to ignore race effectively means trying to ignore racism, which lets the current racial inequities continue’.

    If that’s the case, more beige babies won’t mean less racism.

    Experts think that in order for us to move forward, we need an honest, rigorous dissection of our past, and a reevaluation of the social systems in place today that still actively oppress millions of minorities.

    ‘One school of thought says that capitalist society, and also liberalism, liberal democracy, is inherently a society that depends on inequality,’ Prof Wade says.

    ‘In its very constitution, inequality is rooted in there.

    ‘If you have a capitalist society then you’re always going to have inequality, and racism feeds on that.

    ‘And in that scenario, if you want to get rid of racism – and sexism and patriarchy – then you have to overturn capitalism and have a completely different kind of society.’

    Clearly, this is a big ask.

    And what of humanity’s ever-present need to divide and separate itself?

    Separating out all the issues into right and wrong will never be a case of black and white.



    https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/18/racism-wont-go-away-even-if-were-all-mixed-race-in-the-future-9842011/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    It's not always about you.
    This is what you never got about me CUNT:

    I will every breath I take be as a free man.

    Take your lectures and shove EM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    If you want a piece of me then come and try it FUCKERS!

    I retreat before no one.
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I am going to have to put a lid on it for today....my GOD what a day I have had.

    I have the best life.
    American ignorance is heroic./Nothing is forever, even America's decline.<<<<<<<<<<<Douglas Murray Fox Nation 7/26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    This is what you never got about me CUNT:

    I will every breath I take be as a free man.

    Take your lectures and shove EM.

    STEVE
    maineman did it better......
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    maineman did it better......
    This means nothing without a quote, which you proved too shit to provide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    This means nothing without a quote, which you proved too shit to provide.
    you miss the reference because you're a newb.......maineman was a former poster that you remind me of........
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai Latte Liberal View Post
    Thanks for proving my point, genius...pity you never learned that repetition is useless if it repeats stupidity. Say goodnight, Gracie. See you next thread.
    Ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai Latte Liberal View Post
    Poor thing. Your inability to discuss Professor Wade's theory is understandable, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Ahh, the attempts of racists and bigots to intellectualize their blatherings:

    So the reader's know who this clown is:



    Black Pigeon Speaks: The Anatomy of the Worldview of an Alt-Right YouTuber


    BPS is a character right out of Pankaj Mishra’s powerful new book, Age of Anger: A History of the Present, about angry young men from Rousseau to ISIS.[23] BPS resembles the “angry young nationalists” of Mishra’s history in so many ways. Mishra tells a global story of three centuries of nationalists and revolutionaries—most of whom would be considered right-wing nationalists, racists, xenophobes and misogynists today—who seemed to become radicalized through the lived experience of being cut loose from rooted families and traditional communities. BPS has spent most of his adult life moving from country to country, and shares the western “internationalist” nationalism of the alt-right and Mishra’s 19th century angry young men.



    https://shorensteincenter.org/anatom...ight-youtuber/


    Apropos to this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-racist-ideas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Whether it is by gender, class, wealth or race, humans love walling themselves into distinct categories then using those categories to create hierarchies.

    In the case of race, this hierarchical distinction ended up with slavery, countless program of ethnic cleansing and the retention of ‘othering’ based on the color of skin even to the present day.

    But what happens if we take away these racial categories that divide us into subgroups?

    If, instead of defining as black, white, Asian or any other singular category, we defined ourselves as a little bit of everything, would it herald the dawn of a more accepting, ‘post-racial’ age?

    And would that mean racism would end?

    The mixed-race population is the fastest-growing ethnic group in the UK with 2.2% of the population now identifying as having mixed heritage, up from 1.2% in 2001.

    International migration is increasing at between 1% and 2% every year, and over 240 million people are living in a country different from where they were born.

    The latest projections suggest that by 2050, up to 30% of the UK population will be from ethnic minorities and the number of people who identify as mixed-race in the UK could rise to 4.2%.

    Global travel has never been more accessible and improving tolerance has allowed for the relative normalization of interracial, heterosexual marriage – in this country at least.

    One in five younger people in the UK say that they disapprove of mixed-race marriages compared to one in four aged 55 and over – according to a study conducted by anti-racist organisation People In Harmony.

    But will multiraciality really be the end of racism in the future?

    To answer that we need to understand where racism comes from.

    Scientists generally agree that the concept of race is not grounded in biology or genetics but relies on cultural ideology rather than science.

    But that doesn’t mean that race doesn’t exist.

    The impact is still very real, with racist laws still in place in some countries.

    It becomes all the stranger when geneticists argue that all non-Africans descend from a few thousand homo-sapiens who left Africa around 60,000 years ago (though the exact date is now disputed).

    But if racism is a man-made social structure, does that mean that man can also destroy it?

    Before we can think about the future of racism, we have to deep dive into the past.

    ‘The origins of racism are rooted in colonialism so we are going back to the 15th century,’ Prof Peter Wade, professor of social anthropology at the University Of Manchester, tells Metro.co.uk.

    ‘Prior to that, there were already lots of ideas about blood in the sense of ancestry.

    ‘In the 14th century, people in Spain and Portugal who had Jewish or Muslim ancestry were discriminated against, legally.

    ‘They were then transmitted to the New World when the Spanish and the Portuguese traveled there and began to take on ideas about the inferiority of black, African blood and indigenous blood too.

    ‘The transatlantic slave trade, the conquering of Indigenous peoples, the genocide of Indigenous peoples and so on, exacerbated those kinds of beliefs.’

    But how has a set of ideologies formed seven centuries ago endured until today? Prof Wade says that the concept of racism isn’t rigid.

    ‘Racism as an ideology or the set of structures that create racialized inequality change all the time,’ he says.

    ‘Now that colonialism no longer exists and the transatlantic slave trade doesn’t exist, nevertheless, racism is able to adapt to different kinds of economic and political scenarios.’

    This slippery adaptability is the tricky thing about racism and makes it hard to predict when or how it could ever be eradicated in the future.

    It has shifted many times before.

    The Irish and the Italians were once groups seen as distinct from white people but, as they sought to distance themselves from black people, they were ultimately accepted as white.

    In the US, the perceived threat of becoming a majority non-white nation coincides with a rise in hate crimes for three consecutive years.

    The goal posts are always moving in favor of whoever holds the most power at that particular moment in history.

    And studies have shown that this fear of a loss of power is causing white Americans to develop ‘negative attitudes’ towards people of other races.

    Progressive campaigners are looking for an end to hate crimes and racial definitions.

    Removing binary racial categorisations is ambitious but, if that happens, will another arbitrary ranking system just take its place?

    The idealised view from supporters of a truly mixed-race future is a population where everyone is mixed to a similar degree, removing the need or desire for racial hierarchies.

    There are parts of the world where this ‘mixing’ has happened already.

    ‘The unequivocal lesson from Latin America is that even when everyone is mixed, racism doesn’t go away,’ explains Prof Wade, who has written books on race in Latin America.

    ‘In Latin American societies, mixture has been going on for 500 years. A majority of people in these societies would recognise themselves as mixed.

    ‘Nevertheless, we still see very clear racism, simply because some people see themselves as, and are, more European and less black or indigenous than others. Not everybody is equally mixed.

    ‘In a theoretical future scenario where everyone is mixed to the same extent, and we were all the same shade of brown – racism might still exist, but it would take a very different form.’

    Even if everyone is mixed, human beings will never look exactly the same.

    Prof Wade says even the most minuscule differences are enough to generate racial categorisations.

    ‘Human beings are incredibly attentive to fine degrees of difference,’ he says.

    ‘We are always going to be ready to attribute significance to those differences and to make hierarchical distinctions, so that some people can claim superiority based on exactly what they look like, in terms of familiar aspects like skin colour, hair type or nose shape.’

    Interracial families and mixed-race children are frequently held up as bastions of a liberal, progressive future, but the reality is that mixed-race societies can also uphold racism.

    Outside of Latin America, there aren’t many – if any – countries that claim to have a mixed-race majority population, but some Caribbean countries have a large proportion of mixed inhabitants.

    Nearly a quarter (24.2%) of the population of Trinidad and Tobago identify as mixed.

    But, like in Cuba, Brazil and the Dominican Republic, racism still persists in these countries.

    There are high levels of anti-black racism and state violence in Trinidad and Tobago today.

    Despite the evidence against it, the promise of a mixed, ‘post-racial’ future is still alluring for many.

    Lise Funderburg, author of Black, White, Other: Biracial Americans Talk About Race and Identity, thinks ‘an opportunity’ to end racism can be found with multi-racial individuals were

    ‘If we can’t slot people into familiar categories, perhaps we’ll be forced to reconsider existing definitions of race and identity, presumptions about who is us and who is them,’ she wrote in National Geographic

    ‘Perhaps we’ll all end up less parsimonious about who we feel connected to.’

    The implication is that the very presence of mixed-race people can somehow aid conflict resolution and reduce society’s need to compete, dominate and divide.

    There is in fact evidence that supports the possible social benefits that mixed-race populations can help to achieve.

    Research found that white people are more open to discussing race-related issues after exposure to a mixed-race person.

    But can these ‘qualities’ really help to eradicate racism in the future? Or is that a dangerous rhetoric?

    Academics think the idea that we ‘won’t see colour’ if everyone in the future is a similar shade of brown, is far too simplistic – that it ignores the causes and implications of racism that run so much deeper than skin tone.

    ‘I think the idea that a growing mixed-race population will offer some kind of cure for racism is highly idealistic and even dangerous,’ explains Dr Remi Joseph-Salisbury, sociology professor at Manchester University.

    ‘Such ideas belie the deep-rooted nature of racism, and run counter to the historical and contemporary lived experiences of mixed-race people.

    ‘The desire to romanticise mixed-race people as a solution to society’s racial ills is not reflective of reality. It is only reflective of the kind of stories that society would like to believe about itself.

    ‘To bring an end to racism, society would really need to grapple with its past and to consider how its institutions systematically disadvantage racially minoritized communities.

    ‘This is a far greater task than merely celebrating Meghan Markle.’

    Dr Joseph-Salisbury thinks that the superficial idolization of mixed-race people could also have damaging consequences for other minority groups.

    ‘Whilst compliments on our hair and skin-tone might appear benign, they are tied to a wider system of anti-blackness that pathologizes those with darker skin-tones and tighter hair,’ he says.

    ‘Put more simply, if we have the good hair, by implication, who has the bad hair?’

    A lot of hopes are being pinned on mixed-race communities. Is it fair or even remotely realistic to ask interracial families to carry the burden of racial resolution?

    The increased visibility of the mixed-race population may have the potential to ‘positively shift racial attitudes’ but, as study author Duke University psychologist Sarah E. Gaither has said, ‘trying to ignore race effectively means trying to ignore racism, which lets the current racial inequities continue’.

    If that’s the case, more beige babies won’t mean less racism.

    Experts think that in order for us to move forward, we need an honest, rigorous dissection of our past, and a reevaluation of the social systems in place today that still actively oppress millions of minorities.

    ‘One school of thought says that capitalist society, and also liberalism, liberal democracy, is inherently a society that depends on inequality,’ Prof Wade says.

    ‘In its very constitution, inequality is rooted in there.

    ‘If you have a capitalist society then you’re always going to have inequality, and racism feeds on that.

    ‘And in that scenario, if you want to get rid of racism – and sexism and patriarchy – then you have to overturn capitalism and have a completely different kind of society.’

    Clearly, this is a big ask.

    And what of humanity’s ever-present need to divide and separate itself?

    Separating out all the issues into right and wrong will never be a case of black and white.



    https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/18/racism-wont-go-away-even-if-were-all-mixed-race-in-the-future-9842011/
    Or, a more direct and practical approach pointing to the current reality as to whom is to blame and how to address their actions:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-racist-ideas
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai latte Liberal View Post
    Or, a more direct and practical approach pointing to the current reality as to whom is to blame and how to address their actions
    According to yourself.

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