Critical Race Theory

[Stone]

How come people who support ideas like CRT never seem to ever want to talk too much about How Slaves came to America in the first place? That being that Africans sold other Africans into Slavery. WHY is that exactly? The answer to that question is the reason that very few people take ideas like CRT seriously or give it any credence whatsoever.

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



Sounds like you are trying to get me to take up an imaginary argument. I don't think our government has led white supremacy. It has been the other way around.

If you want to know how to get the legalized corruption out of our government that is a big challenge, of course, but a worthy goal.

Here is a proposed method to do just that, which makes a lot of sense, so I support it:

The Strategy To End Legalized Government Corruption



"Politicians are supposed to represent us. But most Americans have a near-zero impact on public policy.

America's corrupt political system is a complex problem. The American Anti-Corruption Act is a comprehensive solution.

The American Anti-Corruption Act sets a standard for city, state, and federal laws that break big money's grip on politics. It will:

Stop political bribery by making it illegal for lobbyists to lobby a politician and donate to their campaign. You can lobby, or you can donate, but you can't do both.
End secret money so Americans know who is buying political power.
Fix our broken elections so the people, not the political establishment, are the ones in control.

Bring conservatives and progressives together to pass Anti-Corruption laws in cities and states across America.

In communities across America, RepresentUs members – conservatives, progressives, and everyone in between – are working together to pass local Anti-Corruption Acts. Member-led RepresentUs chapters are leading the fight to protect our communities from the corruption that plagues Congress. Every town, city, state, and county has a unique political makeup, so every Anti-Corruption Act is uniquely tailored to the needs of each community.

In 2018, RepresentUs members helped to pass 23 anti-corruption reforms across the nation—that's more than at any other time in history.

By 2022, we'll pass dozens more, in pursuit of a tipping point where 'a rush of state activity leads to a change in federal law.'

STUDY: Passing state laws leads to federal reform.

The biggest changes in America almost always start in the states. From Women's Suffrage to Interracial Marriage, states led the way to federal reform. And it still works today.

Every municipal and state Anti-Corruption Act creates common-sense ethics, conflict-of-interest, transparency, and campaign finance laws. State Acts create the opportunity for federal candidates from that state to campaign on the anti-corruption platform – accountable to their constituents, not special interests.

Candidates who win election on this platform have a built-in incentive to champion Anti-Corruption laws in Washington, D.C. (because that's what got them elected). Every state we win gets us one crucial step closer to passing the American Anti-Corruption Act in the federal government."

Basically, the idea is to pass anti-corruption laws at the local level. Elect anti-corruption politicians, have them run at local levels, and then move up to state level.

What candidate in the world wants to take a pro-corruption position?

None. Candidates which support this idea can get elected.

First at the local level. Then at state level. Then at the federal level.

When we get enough anti-corruption candidates at the federal level we can pass national anti-corruption laws and get the corruption out of government.

Yes, this will take a long time. But it's worth it. Look how long it took to get women the right to vote. That began at local and state levels and finally went national. Look at how long getting marijuana legalized is taking. That began at local and state levels, and is currently getting closer than ever to passing that the federal level. Everything big that is worth while begins at the local level and works it's way up as it becomes more popular.

It is the only way. There is no way our current crop of legally corrupt politicians in Congress is going to vote out the corruption that keeps them in office. We, the people, have to tell them what they are going to do, and this is how we do it. The long process is the only way that can work.

What does that video have to do with CRT?

[TOP]

How come ideas like CRT never seem to ever want to talk too much about How Slaves came to America in the first place? That being that Africans sold other Africans into Slavery. WHY is that exactly? The answer to that question is the reason that very few people take ideas like CRT seriously or give it any credence whatsoever.

There's nothing "serious "about CRT when it comes to the promoting a better future for all of our children....that's why there's so much controversy....and why it's just not going to happen "officially"....

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

Freire was imprisoned following the 1964 coup d’etat for what the new regime considered to be subversive elements in his teaching.

Right. The military junta which just pulled a coup d'etat didn't want the populace educated, didn't want a well informed populace to know what they were doing.

"The 1964 Brazilian coup d'état put an end to Freire's literacy effort, as the ruling military junta did not endorse it. Freire was subsequently imprisoned as a traitor for 70 days. After a brief exile in Bolivia, Freire worked in Chile for five years for the Christian Democratic Agrarian Reform Movement and the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization. In 1967, Freire published his first book, Education as the Practice of Freedom. He followed it up with his most famous work, Pedagogy of the Oppressed, which was first published in 1968.

After a positive international reception of his work, Freire was offered a visiting professorship at Harvard University in 1969."

https://www.freire.org/paulo-freire/...n%20associated.

Of course the Freire Institute would downplay his revolutionary violence, but...


https://ptoweb.org/aboutpto/a-brief-...-paulo-freire/

Mostly because at the time he was trying to violently overthrow the government of Brazil... You might get labeled a traitor for that... You don't end up in exile for 15 years for nothing...

Your link doesn't say any of that.

He was imprisoned for effectively teaching people to be aware of their government, something the military junta did not want. Of course the military junta labelled him a traitor:

From your link:

"FREIRE’S PEDAGOGY
Freire’s pedagogy of literacy education involves not only reading the word, but also reading the world. This involves the development of critical consciousness (a process known in Portuguese as conscientização). The formation of critical consciousness allows people to question the nature of their historical and social situation—to read their world—with the goal of acting as subjects in the creation of a democratic society (which was new for Brazil at that time). For education, Freire implies a dialogic exchange between teachers and students, where both learn, both question, both reflect and both participate in meaning-making.

Concretely, this pedagogy begins with the teacher mingling among the community, asking questions of the people and gathering a list of words used in their daily lives. The teacher was to begin to understand the social reality of the people, and develop a list of generative words and themes which could lead to discussion in classes, or “cultural circles” (Gadotti 20). By making words (literacy) relevant to the lives of people, the process of conscientization could begin, in which the social construction of reality might be critically examined.

The year 1962 saw the first experiments in Freire’s method when 300 farmworkers were taught to read and write in just 45 days (15). As a result, the government approved thousands of cultural circles to be set up all over Brazil. Unfortunately, the military coup of 1964 halted the work, and changed Freire’s life."

[Flash]

white supremacists?

Some see themselves as victims. "You will not replace us."

[Flash]

Hello Flash,

As far as unproven propositions, man, the world is built on them. If humans waited until things were proven before acting, nothing would get done.

You should not teach things that are unproven and call it a theory. People can act and try to reduce racism (it can never be prevented) without believing any of the tenets of CRT which only alienates many whites. People can see or understand prejudice and discrimination, but when we start throwing around racism people see that as much too nebulous a term. People today use "racism" to apply to religion, nationality, and ethnicity which destroyed any meaning of the term. Progress is not made by attacking one group which automatically puts them on the defensive.

Sticking a college freshman in an orientation class in his dorm and requiring him to admit his white privilege accomplishes nothing.

I don't think government has a clue about how to reduce racism. If CRT believes there is no such thing as race how can there be racism?

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



Right. The military junta which just pulled a coup d'etat didn't want the populace educated, didn't want a well informed populace to know what they were doing.

"The 1964 Brazilian coup d'état put an end to Freire's literacy effort, as the ruling military junta did not endorse it. Freire was subsequently imprisoned as a traitor for 70 days. After a brief exile in Bolivia, Freire worked in Chile for five years for the Christian Democratic Agrarian Reform Movement and the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization. In 1967, Freire published his first book, Education as the Practice of Freedom. He followed it up with his most famous work, Pedagogy of the Oppressed, which was first published in 1968.

After a positive international reception of his work, Freire was offered a visiting professorship at Harvard University in 1969.



Your link doesn't say any of that.

He was imprisoned for effectively teaching people to be aware of their government, something the military junta did not want. Of course the military junta labelled him a traitor:

From your link:

"FREIRE’S PEDAGOGY
Freire’s pedagogy of literacy education involves not only reading the word, but also reading the world. This involves the development of critical consciousness (a process known in Portuguese as conscientização). The formation of critical consciousness allows people to question the nature of their historical and social situation—to read their world—with the goal of acting as subjects in the creation of a democratic society (which was new for Brazil at that time). For education, Freire implies a dialogic exchange between teachers and students, where both learn, both question, both reflect and both participate in meaning-making.

Concretely, this pedagogy begins with the teacher mingling among the community, asking questions of the people and gathering a list of words used in their daily lives. The teacher was to begin to understand the social reality of the people, and develop a list of generative words and themes which could lead to discussion in classes, or “cultural circles” (Gadotti 20). By making words (literacy) relevant to the lives of people, the process of conscientization could begin, in which the social construction of reality might be critically examined.

The year 1962 saw the first experiments in Freire’s method when 300 farmworkers were taught to read and write in just 45 days (15). As a result, the government approved thousands of cultural circles to be set up all over Brazil. Unfortunately, the military coup of 1964 halted the work, and changed Freire’s life."

That's the Hollywood version. Freire was every bit the radical. The reason he got imprisoned and exiled was he led a revolt against the coup. He was exiled for resisting the new dictatorship. He would have happily done the same to the new dictators if he were dictator.

His pedagogy was intended to indoctrinate and propagandize the locals but those that celebrate him won't say that as it would undermine their position. It's stuff like this that can't be believed...

The year 1962 saw the first experiments in Freire’s method when 300 farmworkers were taught to read and write in just 45 days...

Do you really think he managed to take adults and teach them to read and write beyond the most basic childhood levels in just over a month? I severely doubt that. But it would fit making him into a legend as top figures on the Left are often treated.

[Sailor]

you put in a lot of effort here TA, nice work

however given I don't follow right wingers down their endless rabbit holes, Ill let it go

but thanks for outlining your mental illness is such detail.....to be honest I couldn't get past your first screed

you watch a lot of Fox and Alex Jones?

Translation: Fuck. Someone that actually understands it instead of the some dumb fuck sheep democrat.

[Flash]

How come people who support ideas like CRT never seem to ever want to talk too much about How Slaves came to America in the first place? That being that Africans sold other Africans into Slavery. WHY is that exactly? The answer to that question is the reason that very few people take ideas like CRT seriously or give it any credence whatsoever.

I think we all know how they were originally enslaved, but that does nothing to excuse others from creating that demand by buying those slaves. It is attempting to avoid responsibility for what we did. There is also nothing to be gained by flagellating ourselves for the past. Nobody denies it and we do as good a job of teaching about slavery and civil rights in history and we do teaching any other areas of history.

[anatta]

I think we all know how they were originally enslaved, but that does nothing to excuse others from creating that demand by buying those slaves. It is attempting to avoid responsibility for what we did. There is also nothing to be gained by flagellating ourselves for the past. Nobody denies it and we do as good a job of teaching about slavery and civil rights in history and we do teaching any other areas of history.

very true on both counts

[cancel2 2022]

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She's just another loony lefty, looks like she's abandoned Covid and taken up CRT as her new hobby horse.

[reagansghost]

skinhead nazi's and MAGApussies are the problem, just a theory

[PoliTalker]

Hello Flash,

You should not teach things that are unproven and call it a theory.

What the? How does one make sense of such a statement? What a bizarre thing to say. The definition of a theory is a concept which is unproven. After a theory is proven, it is no longer a theory.

People can act and try to reduce racism (it can never be prevented) without believing any of the tenets of CRT which only alienates many whites.

It only alienates whites who are pessimistic about trying to solve racism. Conservatives who enjoy their white privilege but refuse to admit it benefits them or even exists.

There are throngs of whites who have no problem with examining the facets of CRT. There are multitudes of whites who want racism solved. Racism serves no good purpose. It holds us back as a society, causes untold grief, and it costs us all money. And I guarantee you there are plenty of blacks who yearn to racism to be solved.

People can see or understand prejudice and discrimination, but when we start throwing around racism people see that as much too nebulous a term. People today use "racism" to apply to religion, nationality, and ethnicity which destroyed any meaning of the term. Progress is not made by attacking one group which automatically puts them on the defensive.

People need to stop taking things so personally when a challenging national, no, international, situation is crying out to be addressed in a far more effective way.

We don't try to solve these issues because they are easy.

We try because they are hard, and the rewards are so tantalizing. Can we do it? We won't ever know unless we try.

Sticking a college freshman in an orientation class in his dorm and requiring him to admit his white privilege accomplishes nothing.

I don't think government has a clue about how to reduce racism. If CRT believes there is no such thing as race how can there be racism?

Government can do anything we want it to do. We, the people, created our own government. We, the people, have the power to direct our government. We can direct it to do things, try things, and if they don't work out as hoped, we can learn the lessons, change our approach and try again. If at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again until you do. Great things are never accomplished by giving up.

[cawacko]

You should not teach things that are unproven and call it a theory. People can act and try to reduce racism (it can never be prevented) without believing any of the tenets of CRT which only alienates many whites. People can see or understand prejudice and discrimination, but when we start throwing around racism people see that as much too nebulous a term. People today use "racism" to apply to religion, nationality, and ethnicity which destroyed any meaning of the term. Progress is not made by attacking one group which automatically puts them on the defensive.

Sticking a college freshman in an orientation class in his dorm and requiring him to admit his white privilege accomplishes nothing.

I don't think government has a clue about how to reduce racism. If CRT believes there is no such thing as race how can there be racism?

That’s pretty well said. The reality is if you weren’t in academia or reading people like Derek Bell you probably weren’t/aren’t familiar with CRT up until the last couple of years. And even now if you’re older, don’t live in an urban area, don’t have kids in school or are not on Twitter you might not be aware of it. And at first I heard people argue the stories we were hearing were just anecdotal excesses and not what CRT was really about. Now we’re seeing they’re not just anecdotal and it’s drawing pushback; including progressives (whose kids are on the receiving end) and black people.

Edit: I guess there’s also the element of CRT in the workplace (I fall into the trap too of thinking it only in education) in terms of the various trainings some companies have

[Nordberg]

How come people who support ideas like CRT never seem to ever want to talk too much about How Slaves came to America in the first place? That being that Africans sold other Africans into Slavery. WHY is that exactly? The answer to that question is the reason that very few people take ideas like CRT seriously or give it any credence whatsoever.

That is how SOME of them came and it is not avoided. There were even blacks that owned and used slaves in the south. That is not what explains what slavery was all about. It was an enormous economic movement that requires millions of slaves to be taken from their homelands and sold to people in other countries. America was the worst, but not the only.
You do not take it seriously because that is not your nature. You never accept that your right wing beliefs can be wrong. You look for an escape, not the truth.