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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    He’s talking about viruses picking up human genes and transmitting them. What he’s not telling you [because he probably doesn’t know] is that his point is meaningless because the back bone of the COVID19 virus is what makes it part of the Covid family. Probably most of all of them have human gene scraps. A Covid causes the common cold after all.

    It’s the *business end*—the spike, that was monkeyed with by the Bat Lady with some funding by US tax dollars via Fauci’s NIH.

    Ask Alter if any human genes are present in the spike proteins in COVID19.
    ya. i'm a little shakey on the DNA "backbone" of an RNA virus..
    But the important point is the spike -so the RNA asnt maipulated it's the spike protein.

    I have no desire to ask him anything..he blathers without any cites

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    ya. i'm a little shakey on the DNA "backbone" of an RNA virus..
    But the important point is the spike -so the RNA asnt maipulated it's the spike protein.

    I have no desire to ask him anything..he blathers without any cites
    It’s like the chassis or frame in an automobile or truck. Build different models using the same chassis. Saves engineering and manufacturing costs. COVID19 shares the same ‘chassis’ as other Covid viruses [classified according to their ‘chassis’].

    Finding human genetic scraps in them is a meaningless point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    RNA viruses are the easiest to prove evolution for. Their great strategy is hyper speed evolution.
    Trumplings are the easiest to prove devolution. They degraded at warp 9, sulu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Trumplings are the easiest to prove devolution. They degraded at warp 9, sulu.
    No one said that evolution was always for the better, or always brought about long term stability. Sometimes evolution just goes wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Port Tack View Post
    A virus is not a living organism.
    semantics, i'm sure (sarcasm). A virus is a living organism.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post


    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Bottom line: those jokers were working on certain viruses and techniques with the blessing and backing of US entities...Fauci being part of one. this is why everyone dumped a log when this stuff started....they new it could be bad, but they weren't sure.

    Yup. And we’re lucky it wasn’t worse. Covid went after the elderly and infirm. We could easily be not so lucky next time. There needs to be an international ban on GOF research. The fricking Chinese military shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near it.
    Indeed! Pity we can't tighten the oversight capabilities and regulations regarding our own pharma companies and their out sourcing capabilities. Oh well, hope springs eternal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Agreed. there's a LOT more information out there that is NOT covered by the MSM....and you can find pundits on the right and left following the party line. Cheeto Jeezus was an obvious clown, and Uncle Joe is just the status quo.
    Say what you will about Trump be he would have canned Fauci—before now.

    Partisan politics is the side show on this. We have a real problem with incompetence and corruption in our government and institutions. It came out in a congressional hearing yesterday that a Chinese defector [a virologist] was blowing the whistle on the Wuhan lab early in the game. She had text messages and documents relating to the GOF research in Wuhan.

    The FBI interviewed her and the idiots classified her as a CCP counterintelligence asset.
    Cheeto Jeezus always goes for what has a high positive public profile...and fill in the details later. Then he'll throw you under the bus the second they become a public relations liability (aka public contradiction). I've had no use for Fauci ever since the HIV=AIDS crap, which cemented his "fame".

    When our intelligence and security agencies are NOT intimidated by big banks or big pharma, I'll be dancing in the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post


    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    How did you discern that from the article? He's not discounting a valid, scientific approach. That's the current problem! You've got a bunch of pharma companies vying for contracts...we've already seen recalls and "problems" with "approved" vaccines. Fauci doesn't know WTF to do beside contradict himself and hope he can blow enough smoke to cover his blunders. The article is pointing to a herd mentality based on dubious science that is ostracizing anyone who thinks outside the bod.

    Hello Taichiliberal,



    People are doing the best they can. Nobody is perfect. We are humans. The scientific effort which has been taken is far superior to doing nothing. We would not be coming out of this pandemic if not for the vaccines. It was coming on strong. I was watching all the numbers. We had a monster wave coming on. We got most people vaccinated, the numbers dropped precipitously. The more participation we can get, the better the results.

    I'm not crazy about vaccines. I never get the flu vaccine. This is different. A worldwide pandemic demands a coordinated response.

    Is it 100% ideal?

    Of course not. Little in this world is.
    Hey PT!

    Here's the thing: it's not about people doing the best they can in as much as they are doing it with blinders on....giving credit to experimental treatments posing as vaccines for the "coming out of" the pandemic is not correct if you correlate the time lines....infection rates, actual cases, "super spreader" cases that never panned out...the virus had pretty much run it's course of being highly contageous with a high morality rate and was naturally subsiding. See, most people don't know that there is a difference between being typed as having the virus to an actual "case" were someone is hospitalized for it and/or sent to ICU. Also, since it has been established that the PCR test was less than 60/40 of being accurate, the whole premise of the declarations of infection rates and cases were and are erroneous at best.

    I'm not looking for 100% ideal, I'm looking for an application of the good medical practice that the establishment medical community seems to have abandoned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Cheeto Jeezus always goes for what has a high positive public profile...and fill in the details later. Then he'll throw you under the bus the second they become a public relations liability (aka public contradiction). I've had no use for Fauci ever since the HIV=AIDS crap, which cemented his "fame".

    When our intelligence and security agencies are NOT intimidated by big banks or big pharma, I'll be dancing in the streets.
    I don’t think it’s intimidation so much as sheer corruption.

    If you want to bring presidential politics into it, our IC/FBI started going down hill under Obama. He’s the one who weaponized the IRS. But back to Fauci, no one was going to fire him but Trump—and he couldn’t, or it would have sealed his fate in the election.

    Fauci was untouchable at this time last year. And he acted like it.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    The ethical conundrums of this and conflict is expected. The difference between this and say lepers or typhoid, is these morons choose to acquire it, and lepers had no say in it.

    So I have a hard time mustering up much stigma sympathy for their irresponsibility, especially since they hide amongst us, spreading the infection and posing as having been faxed.
    Hold the phone! Are you saying that people CHOSE to be infected by Covid 19? Proof please?

    Also, consider this: the MSM has tallied several "super spreader" events in the last year that should have had infection rates go off the charts. No such thing happened. Also, since the PCR test is less than 60/40 reliable, the whole tracking system is compromised. Just pointing out the obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    RNA viruses lack the error correcting of DNA viruses and other DNA lifeforms. Over 99% of them are not functional from mutations(die at birth). That makes them acceleration evolutionary platforms. They can noticeably evolve over the course of a day. They can, and do form new proteins through random mutations. Those new proteins sometimes give advantages.

    In a single HIV patient, being given drugs to treat the HIV, the HIV will evolve around those drugs over time.
    Key points: HIV does NOT cause AIDS.....to date, no scientific peer reviewed paper has conclusivley proven this in over 30 years. Also, the PCR test isn't even 60/40 reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I don’t think it’s intimidation so much as sheer corruption.

    If you want to bring presidential politics into it, our IC/FBI started going down hill under Obama. He’s the one who weaponized the IRS. But back to Fauci, no one was going to fire him but Trump—and he couldn’t, or it would have sealed his fate in the election.

    Fauci was untouchable at this time last year. And he acted like it.
    Agree on the majority of what you said.

    As for the Obama/IRS stuff....here's are balanced takes on that: https://www.politifact.com/article/2...ext-watergate/

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...candal-at-last
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    Hello Taichiliberal,

    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Hey PT!

    Here's the thing: it's not about people doing the best they can in as much as they are doing it with blinders on....giving credit to experimental treatments posing as vaccines for the "coming out of" the pandemic is not correct if you correlate the time lines....infection rates, actual cases, "super spreader" cases that never panned out...the virus had pretty much run it's course of being highly contageous with a high morality rate and was naturally subsiding. See, most people don't know that there is a difference between being typed as having the virus to an actual "case" were someone is hospitalized for it and/or sent to ICU. Also, since it has been established that the PCR test was less than 60/40 of being accurate, the whole premise of the declarations of infection rates and cases were and are erroneous at best.

    I'm not looking for 100% ideal, I'm looking for an application of the good medical practice that the establishment medical community seems to have abandoned.
    I disagree.

    We were no where close to natural herd immunity.

    The graph of new cases in the USA clearly shows a serious decline after the vaccines were rolled out in mass quantities.

    Screenshot 2021-06-14 at 16-45-01 United States COVID 34,328,721 Cases and 615,176 Deaths - Worl.jpg

    That is no coincidence. And it happened the same way in other countries at different times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Taichiliberal,



    I disagree.

    We were no where close to natural herd immunity.

    The graph of new cases in the USA clearly shows a serious decline after the vaccines were rolled out in mass quantities.

    Screenshot 2021-06-14 at 16-45-01 United States COVID 34,328,721 Cases and 615,176 Deaths - Worl.jpg

    That is no coincidence. And it happened the same way in other countries at different times.
    hmm, not quite. Check this out:

    Here we have a lot of "could be" and "most likely" from earlier this year:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ree-weeks.html

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ay/4401778001/

    Then there is this:

    Is COVID-19 Herd Immunity Possible?


    https://garynull.com/is-covid-19-her...nity-possible/
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