Grumpy (06-12-2021)
TD uses the specific qualifier ""homicides" and you come back saying he's wrong, linking your "proof" to a stat on gun deaths from all causes which of course includes suicide.
That is a common tactic of disingenuous anti-gunners. Including suicide shifts the deaths to suburban / rural areas (and states) and dilutes the criminal murder numbers and rates.
As for the race of murder victims, (and by statistical evidence, murderers), young Black males are vastly over-represented in the statistics.
Here's the murder stats from the CDC for 2017):
White Males 15-29
18,876,039 population / 5.8% of US population
949 homicides / 4.86% of total homicides
5.03/100K rate
Black Males 15-29
5,543,872 population / 1.7% of US population
4,578 homicides / 22.3% of total homicides
82.58/100K rate
16.41 times the corresponding White rate
Here are some statements drawn from the above stats to ponder and if you have the guts, discuss:
If the entire nation (population 325,147,121) was murdered at the same rate as Black males aged 15-29, (82.58/100K), there would have been 268,506 murders in 2017, nearly 14 times the actual total.
If Black males aged 15-29 were murdered at the same rate as White males aged 15-29, there would have only been 279 instead of 4,578 young Black men being murdered in 2017, a 94% reduction.
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GUN CONTROL LAWS ARE OSHA REGULATIONS FOR VIOLENT CRIMINALS
Grumpy (06-12-2021)
Show me the cities, even better, show me the zip codes . . . Even the reddest state has a Blue urban hellhole in it, run by social justice warrior leftists who put public safety low on the priority list and allow criminals to offend with impunity. Something like 70% of murder occurs in 5% of counties and even in those counties, murder is very concentrated in certain zip codes . . .
As I said before , GVA's "4+ shot" criteria captures a shit-ton of "mass shootings" that happen where most gun crime happens. No gun law will address those crimes in jurisdictions where hug-a-thug leftist prosecutors recoil from prosecuting gun criminals until they kill someone. These illegal gun carriers do not fear getting caught with a gun because there is little chance of significant punishment.
Here's how things are going in my former hometown, Philadelphia with their Soros backed, former BLM lawyer now District Attorney, Larry "Let 'em Loose" Krasner:
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GUN CONTROL LAWS ARE OSHA REGULATIONS FOR VIOLENT CRIMINALS
Grumpy (06-12-2021)
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
Interesting data. Have you considered looking at economic classes instead of race?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455929/
Areas with higher absolute poverty and higher income inequality have been associated with higher risk of homicide victimization.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...fect-homicide/
Income inequality can cause all kinds of problems across the economic spectrum—but perhaps the most frightening is homicide. Inequality—the gap between a society's richest and poorest—predicts murder rates better than any other variable, according to Martin Daly, a professor emeritus of psychology at McMaster University in Ontario, who has studied this connection for decades. It is more tightly tied to murder than straightforward poverty, for example, or drug abuse. And research conducted for the World Bank finds that both between and within countries, about half the variance in murder rates can be accounted for by looking at the most common measure of inequality, which is known as the Gini coefficient.
The murders most associated with inequality, it seems, are driven by a perceived lack of respect. Like most killings, these are mostly perpetrated by males—and in societies with low inequality, there tend to be very few murders. To an outsider, these deaths, which make up more than a third of the homicides with known motives reported to the FBI, seem senseless: a guy looks at someone else the wrong way, makes a disrespectful remark, or is believed to have winked at another man's wife or girlfriend. These incidents seem too trivial to be matters of life and death. “A prosperous guy like me, if someone [insults me] in a bar, I can roll my eyes and leave,” Daly says. “But if it's your local bar, you are unemployed or underemployed, and your only source of status and self-respect is your standing in the neighborhood, turning the other cheek looks weak, and everyone soon knows you are an easy mark.”...
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
A suicide using a gun is a gun death same as any other, dutchy
Not sure how that defends against stronger regulation of the acquisition of guns.
It's deceitful to conflate murder with suicide. It proves the anti-gun left are dishonorable liars who have to use deceit to push their agenda. This makes them no better than the assholes pushing hydroxychloroquine or blame Trump's election loss on voter fraud.
In short, only a fucking moron believes banning all handguns will stop suicide. That's the plan, isn't it? Ban all handguns? People don't usually use AR-15s to commit suicide and most mass murders are committed using....wait for it.....handguns.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Isaiah 6:5
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Isaiah 6:5
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
Any country that chucks around murder weapons like bloody confetti, surely, is committing suicide anyway? You started all this right-to-bear-arms bullshit so that you could murder any enslaved people who tried to break free. Isn't it time to stop even the police killing people just because they are 'black' and might still fight back against your racist bullying? Are you really so inherently criminal that you need to shoot one another? Most people manage by respecting the law.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
Isaiah 6:5
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
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