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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    I'm sorry OPie, but do try to ask a question that is not an insult to everyone's intelligence!

    Here OPie- I have a question for you along the same line as your question- "Have you been an asshole- ALL YOUR LIFE"?
    Actually, this is the sort of response I envisioned. The Left cannot and will not debate--honestly or otherwise--the various forms of Socialist societies that their "thinkers" have envisioned. They won't because if they do get down to specifics, they find that those positions are not only indefensible but abhorrent to reasonable people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Your quote: "This is more for the Leftists and Left leaning on the board."
    Well, they are the ones that advocate for these types of societies to be formed. You'd think they could explain why they are so desirable and how they'd be better than what we've got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Well, they are the ones that advocate for these types of societies to be formed. You'd think they could explain why they are so desirable and how they'd be better than what we've got.
    See that's a red herring fallacy. Nobody advocating for those types of societies.

    You need to quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    See that's a red herring fallacy. Nobody advocating for those types of societies.

    You need to quit.


    The Democratic Socialists of America is the largest socialist organization in the United States, with over 92,000 members and chapters in all 50 states. We believe that working people should run both the economy and society democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few.
    https://www.dsausa.org/
    List of Democratic Socialists of America members who have held office in the United States
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

    So much for your rebuttal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Actually, this is the sort of response I envisioned. The Left cannot and will not debate--honestly or otherwise--the various forms of Socialist societies that their "thinkers" have envisioned. They won't because if they do get down to specifics, they find that those positions are not only indefensible but abhorrent to reasonable people.
    The left is a larger section of WE THE PEOPLE than what you think! You are totally confusing Social Democrats with being SOCIALISTS! And Social Democrats are only a small portion of the left of center in the first place. DID BERNIE GET THE NOMINATION FOOL? Biden won the nomination and he is a Centrist!

    Another example: I am a Conservative Democrat and not a Socialist Democrat!

    STOP WITH YOUR ONE SIZE FIT'S ALL stupidity and ignorance.

    Because it becomes even more apparent with your every post now!

    You are insulting and ignorant and not very well educated in government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    The left is a larger section of WE THE PEOPLE than what you think! You are totally confusing Social Democrats with being SOCIALISTS! And Social Democrats are only a small portion of the left of center in the first place. DID BERNIE GET THE NOMINATION FOOL?

    For instance, I am a Conservative Democrat and not a Socialist Democrat!
    STOP WITH YOUR ONE SIZE FIT"S ALL stupidity and ignorance.

    Because it becomes even more apparent with your every post now!

    You are insulting and ignorant and not very well educated in government.

    Word! I've grown tired of Gardner..."insulting and ignorant" is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    He cannot because he isn't intelligent.
    I am already starting to suspect he has a Trump University education!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    How is it a "red herring?" That requires misdirection. I am asking about two (2) written volumes by two authors who both were envisioning a utopia. Choose the better one. Choose the one more likely to succeed.
    Dude! Try to even name a TRUE Socialist country now or in the past!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    The left is a larger section of WE THE PEOPLE than what you think! You are totally confusing Social Democrats with being SOCIALISTS! And Social Democrats are only a small portion of the left of center in the first place. DID BERNIE GET THE NOMINATION FOOL? Biden won the nomination and he is a Centrist!
    The Left represents less than 20% of the political spectrum. That is as true for the US as it was for the Soviet Union. The Democratic Socialist party are Socialists by their own admission. I posted a link to their website. Biden has become a far Left of Center Democrat. I suspect Obama and his administration orchestrated that.

    Another example: I am a Conservative Democrat and not a Socialist Democrat!
    Okay, anecdote isn't evidence.

    Because it becomes even more apparent with your every post now!

    You are insulting and ignorant and not very well educated in government.
    I'm not making a 'one size fits all' argument here. I'm saying that the Democrat party as a whole is moving to the Left and contains more true Leftists than it did say, two decades ago. They have become the dominant part of the Democrat party.

    A good example of that is Arizona's senator Krysten Sinema. She was a hard Leftist a bit over a decade ago. She's mellowed with age and become a true centrist. The Democrat Left wants to expel her from the Democrat party for that. They can't stand that she supports bipartisan legislation and often votes against Leftist interests. There is much talk in the Democrat party and among Leftists of expelling her for her heresy. I hope they do because it will make voting for her much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Dude! Try to even name a TRUE Socialist country now or in the past!
    You go first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Dude! Try to even name a TRUE Socialist country now or in the past!
    Why not answer the original question. Which is a better Socialist model, Marx or Hitler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Why not answer the original question. Which is a better Socialist model, Marx or Hitler?
    I am going to just say Marx because he seemed to define Socialism and he tried to make it look like A UTOPIA.

    Hitler was not even a socialist- HE WAS A NAZI!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    You go first.
    The U.S.S.R. was about the closest country to ever being a socialist country- BUT IN FACT, WAS NOT.

    THE U.S.S.R. was in fact a Communist country. And so was the REPUBLIC OF CHINA- STILL IS IN MANY WAYS!

    North Korea is so fucked up, I'm not sure that we have a name for that type of government yet!

    Venezuela? Not sure what you call that country anymore either. BUT NOT SOCIALIST!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    I am going to just say Marx because he seemed to define Socialism and he tried to make it look like A UTOPIA.

    Hitler was not even a socialist- HE WAS A NAZI!
    The answer you give says you've never read the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf. But I do commend you for at least giving an honest answer based on what you believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    I am going to just say Marx because he seemed to define Socialism and he tried to make it look like A UTOPIA.

    Hitler was not even a socialist- HE WAS A NAZI!
    To neo-fascists, socialism can only be totalitarian.

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