Hospitals across U.S. tell workers they must get COVID-19 shots

[Guno צְבִי]

Tens of thousands of medical workers across the U.S. are being told they must get vaccinated against COVID-19 to stay employed.

The scenario is well underway in Texas, where nearly 200 hospital workers have been suspended without pay by Houston Methodist, the first hospital system in the nation to require the shots. Houston Methodist — a major medical center and six community hospitals — said nearly 25,000 of its workers were fully fully immunized against the coronavirus by Monday's deadline.

While Houston Methodist was first to make the move, a slew of other medical institutions are following suit. Health care workers in Indiana, Maryland, New Jersey and Pennsylvania face looming deadlines to get fully immunized against a virus that's killed nearly 600,000 Americans.

Two Baltimore-based institutions — the University of Maryland Medical System (UMMS) and John Hopkins Medicine — are among the latest to announce vaccine mandates.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ho...ocid=Peregrine

[Callinectes]

How many of the 200 in Texas are doctors and nurses? How many of those were custodians, security, kitchen staff and other support staff? How many of those caught it and recovered during the worst times? How many of those are pumping out naturally acquired antibodies that are better than the vax? I generally don't have a problem with mandatory vaccination for some occupations(still don't know why it isn't mandatory for the military), but certain things have to be taken into consideration.

[Darth Omar]

I wonder what hospital underwriters think about this?

These vaccines have a higher rate of adverse effects than flu shots—up to, deaths from blood clots. Some hospitals are going to be taken to court over this, you can take it the bank.

Or will workers be *forced* to sign a release? If that’s the case, they should walk out.

[PoliTalker]

Hello guno,

Tens of thousands of medical workers across the U.S. are being told they must get vaccinated against COVID-19 to stay employed.

The scenario is well underway in Texas, where nearly 200 hospital workers have been suspended without pay by Houston Methodist, the first hospital system in the nation to require the shots. Houston Methodist — a major medical center and six community hospitals — said nearly 25,000 of its workers were fully fully immunized against the coronavirus by Monday's deadline.

While Houston Methodist was first to make the move, a slew of other medical institutions are following suit. Health care workers in Indiana, Maryland, New Jersey and Pennsylvania face looming deadlines to get fully immunized against a virus that's killed nearly 600,000 Americans.

Two Baltimore-based institutions — the University of Maryland Medical System (UMMS) and John Hopkins Medicine — are among the latest to announce vaccine mandates.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ho...ocid=Peregrine

Makes sense.

[Darth Omar]

Hello guno,



Makes sense.

Since nobody responded to my question maybe you can take a stab at it. Who pays, when healthcare workers are hospitalized for heart inflammation from taking a vaccine they may or may not have needed?

It’s a numbers game: out of many tens of thousands of vaccinated healthcare workers someone—or some of them, are going to have adverse reactions. And if they were forced to take the jab against their will a law suit is certain.

[Hawkeye10]

This is straight up abuse.

Our leaders have betrayed us.

[Nordberg]

This is straight up abuse.

Our leaders have betrayed us.

A hospital that deals with sick people as a business demands their staff act in the safest manner and you object. You are straight-up crazy. All businesses should demand that from employees. It not a burden. The shots are free. They give them, at hospitals.
The government should demand everyone get the shots. End the pandemic.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Since nobody responded to my question maybe you can take a stab at it. Who pays, when healthcare workers are hospitalized for heart inflammation from taking a vaccine they may or may not have needed?

It’s a numbers game: out of many tens of thousands of vaccinated healthcare workers someone—or some of them, are going to have adverse reactions. And if they were forced to take the jab against their will a law suit is certain.

In the American healthcare system, the responsibility to pay for healthcare falls upon the individual. If they are lucky and have a good job (generally, the upper half of society,) they have insurance which pays for most of their healthcare. (but not all - after all, the corporations have to find any opportunity to nickel and dime anybody they can.) Although, really, it is the individual paying because if they didn't have job-related insurance their employer would be able to pay them far more than their current salary, but then they would have to pay for insurance on their own, like everybody else who is not so 'lucky' to be in the 'preferred' situation. It's an archaic system which has not caught up to the rest of the world where countries use the power of government to organize a true universal healthcare system to take care of everyone because that only makes sense. After all, everyone needs healthcare, so it is a common social need best served by government.

The numbers game applies to far more than who might have an adverse reaction to a vaccine. The pandemic is a greater risk than vaccine reactions. As we know, far more than 61 people have died from COVID-19. Something like 600,000 and counting. And that's just in the USA. Worldwide, it's more like 4 million deaths. The cold hard fact is that the risk of dying from COVID-19 is greater than the risk of an adverse reaction to the vaccines. We would like to say pick your poison, but in a pandemic we can't simply leave it up to each person to decide how they wish to fight. Humans have to be organized to effectively fight a pandemic. We use our powers of knowledge and learning to discover what the best approach is, and then we must all adopt the most logical approach for it to be effective.

Nobody is forced against their will to take the vaccine. You have a choice. You can choose to comply with the requirements of a job, or you can choose another job. Nobody is forced to be a health care worker. They chose to do that. If they didn't know what they were getting into it is their own fault. Most people are not so lucky to have one career they work their entire life. Lots of people learn how to do a job, and then capitalism takes that job away and they have to start all over again from scratch and learn something else. Healthcare workers chose that field because they knew there would always be a demand for that work. They got what they asked for.

[Yakuda]

Tens of thousands of medical workers across the U.S. are being told they must get vaccinated against COVID-19 to stay employed.

The scenario is well underway in Texas, where nearly 200 hospital workers have been suspended without pay by Houston Methodist, the first hospital system in the nation to require the shots. Houston Methodist — a major medical center and six community hospitals — said nearly 25,000 of its workers were fully fully immunized against the coronavirus by Monday's deadline.

While Houston Methodist was first to make the move, a slew of other medical institutions are following suit. Health care workers in Indiana, Maryland, New Jersey and Pennsylvania face looming deadlines to get fully immunized against a virus that's killed nearly 600,000 Americans.

Two Baltimore-based institutions — the University of Maryland Medical System (UMMS) and John Hopkins Medicine — are among the latest to announce vaccine mandates.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ho...ocid=Peregrine

Sure that's what totalitarians do. Get a stab for a virus with a 98% recovery rate. Then wear a mask after you do because it doesn't actually stop you from getting the virus and oh by the way it offers no significant benefit if you have already had covid. I guess that's called following the science.

[Walt]

I wonder what hospital underwriters think about this?

A major outbreak at a hospital could cost a hundred lives, and cause permanent damage to a thousand people. It could cost underwriters could be on the hook for a billion dollars.

And that is the whole point. Insurance, bonding, certifying, etc. companies are pushing hard for vaccination. They run the real numbers, and are desperate. They are pushing for shutting down all operations in places that block checking vaccinations.

For instance, I am now allowed to go to work without a mask, because I have proven I am fully vaccinated. If I were in Florida, I would have to wear a mask, because they could not trust a claim of being vaccinated. If someone complained to the state government about wearing a mask, the entire facility would be shutdown, and everyone fired. You may think Florida is important, but it is nothing compared to the world financial sector.

you can take it the bank

We really cannot take it to the bank. trump supporters are tightly correlated with worsening health outcomes. They are one of the few groups in the world with falling life expectancies. Basically, they are making a lot of terrible life choices. Now they are demanding we all follow their lead? That is just a bad idea.

[Walt]

Since nobody responded to my question maybe you can take a stab at it. Who pays, when healthcare workers are hospitalized for heart inflammation from taking a vaccine they may or may not have needed?

It’s a numbers game: out of many tens of thousands of vaccinated healthcare workers someone—or some of them, are going to have adverse reactions. And if they were forced to take the jab against their will a law suit is certain.

Within a year of getting the vaccination, about 1% of people will die. If they do not get the vaccination, about 1% will die also. Do you see what is happening here? There will be lawyers who try to make it sound like an adverse reaction, but the reality is vaccination will save lives.

So who pays for people who die after getting the vaccine? The some who pay had they not gotten the vaccine, but less so.