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    So the Canadians have gone back to shipping their tar sand oil by rail, like this:



    Pipelines are safer, more environmentally friendly, and cheaper to operate. But the tards on the environmental Left can't get that through their pointy little heads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Do you think the tar sands sludge from Alberta is being refined in Canada?
    Canadian refiners haven't invested in coking plants to prepare tar sand oil for refining. That's why it's going to the US to begin with. The US has about 60% of refineries with coking capacity. There is some movement in Canada towards adding this capacity to their plants but it isn't yet in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Canada's sludge does not get refined into gasoline.
    Yes it does, along with other petroleum products after it is coked to allow it to be refined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Yes it does, along with other petroleum products after it is coked to allow it to be refined.
    That nasty sludge is most often used for diesel/kerosene/heating oil related products. It's not as profitable to refine it into gasoline as it is with lighter crudes.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Canadian refiners haven't invested in coking plants to prepare tar sand oil for refining. That's why it's going to the US to begin with. The US has about 60% of refineries with coking capacity. There is some movement in Canada towards adding this capacity to their plants but it isn't yet in place.
    Still, Canada imports better quality crude for gasoline production in their own refineries. Bitumen is filthy, and isn't nearly as desirable as conventional crude.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Still, Canada imports better quality crude for gasoline production in their own refineries. Bitumen is filthy, and isn't nearly as desirable as conventional crude.
    True, but you can make gasoline from it. Part of the reason the US has capacity for refining it is Venezuelan crude was sometimes refined. It's very heavy too and requires coking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Canadian refiners haven't invested in coking plants to prepare tar sand oil for refining. That's why it's going to the US to begin with. The US has about 60% of refineries with coking capacity. There is some movement in Canada towards adding this capacity to their plants but it isn't yet in place.
    About one third of Alberta bitumen is turned into SCO as this article points out.

    Upgrading is a process by which bitumen is transformed into light/sweet synthetic crude oil (SCO) by fractionation and chemical treatment, removing virtually all traces of sulphur and heavy metals. About one-third of Alberta's bitumen is upgraded into SCO before being sold to downstream refineries.
    https://www.oilsandsmagazine.com/tec...umen-upgrading

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    I absolutely do. It's you that doesn't realize that the US has a much higher demand for oil than Canada, fuckstick.

    This, combined with the non-renewal of drilling leases will lead to a gas shortage in the US before summer is over.

    AKA Carter-era gas lines around the block.
    The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project to Vancouver is due to be completed next year. This will increase capacity to 900,000 barrels a day for export to Asia.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN29T0BA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project to Vancouver is due to be completed next year. This will increase capacity to 900,000 barrels a day for export to Asia.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN29T0BA
    How does that help the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    That nasty sludge is most often used for diesel/kerosene/heating oil related products. It's not as profitable to refine it into gasoline as it is with lighter crudes.
    But might be beneficial to the US northeast in wintertime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    That nasty sludge is most often used for diesel/kerosene/heating oil related products. It's not as profitable to refine it into gasoline as it is with lighter crudes.
    Diesel engines provide more miles per gallon than gasoline engines do in the same vehicles .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    But might be beneficial to the US northeast in wintertime.
    Except that it's being refined by multi national corporations for sale on the open market. Nothing is designated to stay in this country. Not even our own fracked products.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    True, but you can make gasoline from it. Part of the reason the US has capacity for refining it is Venezuelan crude was sometimes refined. It's very heavy too and requires coking.
    Yes. My point is that there is plenty of quality crude to be refined for gasoline. The claim on the table is that we're going to see gasoline shortages because of the shut down of KXL.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    Diesel engines provide more miles per gallon than gasoline engines do in the same vehicles .
    Which has what to do with 'gasoline shortages'?
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    our energy independence and exporting nat gas etc. is dead
    Biden is going to wind up with us importing from ME

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