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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
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    Excellent article by Steve Milloy, let's see one of you bullshitters try to argue with him!



    https://www.realclearenergy.org/arti...na_779801.html

    https://junkscience.com/2021/06/joe-...dent-on-china/

    Which is precisely what his employers in Beijing have ordered him to do...he's not even trying to pretend otherwise anymore...
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    So you're OK with American dependency on Red China? No surprise there...Treason-o-crats have been colluded with them for decades. , Clinton allowed them to obtain advanced guided missile tech from us, Senate leader with a Chinese spy for a driver for over 20 years, another sleazoid sleeping with a Chinese spy, and ,of course ,the Biden Crime Family on the Chinese payroll...pretty much par for the course.
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Texas Starts Waking Up To The Issue Of The Full Costs Of "Renewables"


    The promoters of the climate scam have a variety of deceptions to get the gullible to accede to their socialist plans. Those deceptions range from the quite sophisticated to the completely preposterous.

    At the sophisticated end of the scale we have what I have called The Greatest Scientific Fraud Of All Time — the deception by which 50 and 100 year old temperature records are altered (reduced) by impenetrable computer algorithms to make it seem like global warming has been much greater than the reality. At the preposterous end of the scale we have the claim that the fashionable “renewable” sources of electric power, wind and solar, are actually cheaper than fossil fuels to generate electricity.

    I call this claim preposterous because the fundamental deception is so obvious that you would think that no one of any intelligence could possibly fall for it. And yet you have undoubtedly read numerous articles in the past few years asserting that wind and solar-generated electricity is now as cheap or cheaper than electricity from natural gas or coal. To make the claim, the promoters of wind and solar simply omit from their calculations the single biggest part of the cost of those sources. That would the cost of intermittency, otherwise known as the cost of providing sufficient backup or storage to run a stable electrical grid while generation from the wind and sun fluctuates wildly. (As wind and solar become a bigger and bigger part of power generation on the grid, the cost of necessary backup and/or storage could easily multiply the cost of electricity by a factor of five or more. For instance, see my post here.).

    To divert your attention from this elephant in the room, somebody has come up with the concept of “levelized cost of energy,” or LCOE, supposedly to make fair apples-to-apples comparisons of the total costs of one energy sources versus another. There are seemingly sophisticated and technical discussions of life cycles and discount rates. But then, when putting a cost on wind and solar, they just completely omit the costs of intermittency. I suppose they hope that you won’t notice.

    If you don’t believe me, check out this Wikipedia piece on “Cost of electricity by source.” The piece cites some five studies of comparative costs of different generation sources. The five studies come from Bloomberg New Energy Finance, Lazard, the International Renewable Energy Agency, the IPCC and OECD. Representative of the conclusions reached is this from BNEF:
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    In March 2021, Bloomberg New Energy Finance found that "renewables are the cheapest power option for 71% of global GDP and 85% of global power generation. It is now cheaper to build a new solar or wind farm to meet rising electricity demand or replace a retiring generator, than it is to build a new fossil fuel-fired power plant. ...
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    Feel free to click through to verify my assertion that they simply omit all costs of intermittency when calculating the costs of generation from wind and solar.

    The state of Texas, with its own power grid separate from the rest of the country, has been a leader in developing generation capacity from the intermittent renewables, particularly wind. While production from these facilities can vary greatly from month to month (depending on wind conditions), in typical months Texas has been getting about 20-25% of its electricity from wind and solar. (It was 23% in October 2020.).

    Then came February 2021, when Texas had a record cold spell, and the wind and sun died for several days running. Some natural gas and nuclear facilities were also out during that period. The result was a tremendous spike in spot market prices and rolling blackouts imposed by the grid operator (known as ERCOT).

    Apparently the February event has caused some people in Texas finally to wake up to the issue of the true costs of the renewables. In March a bill called SB 1278 was introduced in the Texas state senate by Senator Kelly Hancock of Fort Worth to require the renewable generation sources to bear the extra costs imposed by their intermittency. Here is the relevant language of the proposed statute:
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    “[ERCOT] shall ensure that ancillary services necessary to facilitate the transmission of electric energy are available at reasonable prices … [and] ancillary services costs incurred by the ERCOT … to address reliability issues arising from the operation of intermittent wind and solar resources must be directly assigned by the ERCOT … to those resources. . . .”
    The bill passed the Texas State Senate on April 14 by a bipartisan vote of 18-13. However, the bill got held up in the Texas House of Representatives, and apparently the legislature has now adjourned without further action on the bill. Nevertheless, it appears that the legislature has a good deal of unfinished business, and will be called back into special session at some point later in the year.

    The delay has given renewables advocates a chance to regroup. A piece on May 17 at something called Utility Dive gives many of these advocates a chance to present their arguments.

    Most of them are BS. But I think there is a significant flaw in the language of the bill as drafted, which is that it puts the burden on the regulator, ERCOT, to figure out what particular costs are attributable to intermittency issues. That task is not necessarily so easy to do with precision in a mixed system of fossil fuel and renewable sources. A guy named Michael Jewell of something called Conservative Texans for Energy Innovation makes the point when he says this:
    “[C]ost causation here is unclear because reliability needs vary with customer demand and, like wind and solar, traditional generators can [also] go offline."
    A far better structure would be for the grid operator to set up a bidding system where bidders offering power from wind and solar sources must combine their bids with sufficient backup and/or storage to provide some fixed amount of firm power over some reasonable period of time, say 24 hours. In a post back in July 2018 I phrased it this way:
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    [T]he grid operator should seek only offers of power that are firm and reliable for some reasonable period, say 24 hours at a time. If you want to sell wind power to the grid operator, it's then on you to also provide the mix of backup sources (could be fossil fuel power plants, could be batteries, could be whatever else you come up with) to make your offer reliable for the requisite period.

    With that market structure, the wind and solar operators themselves would be required to recognize and calculate the costs of the intermittency of their assets. The structure would also give those operators the incentive to reduce the costs of intermittency (that is, of backup and/or storage) to the extent they can.
    Someday, the world will come around to adopting my proposal. Meanwhile, I’m glad to report that Texas has at least woken up to the existence of this issue.

    https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/...-of-renewables
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    Meanwhile, the Joke Biden administration is doing everything it can to make America more dependent on foreign sources for minerals...

    WASHINGTON – On Monday, the Biden administration rescinded its approval for the proposed Resolution Copper mine, just days before it was to transfer thousands of acres of federal land for the project.

    The Department of Agriculture said it ordered the rescission to allow for a “thorough review based on significant input from collaborators, partners and the public” after the January release of a final environmental impact statement on the project.

    The proposed mine was expected to generate up to 1,450 jobs for workers who would receive $149 million in compensation annually. He said it could be worth about $1 billion a year in direct and indirect economic impact for the state.

    Under a congressionally approved swap the federal government would have given 2,422 acres of copper-rich land to Resolution Copper in exchange for 5,459 acres of other land in southeast Arizona.
    https://azfreenews.com/2021/03/biden...n-copper-mine/

    U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said on Wednesday that the White House has not decided on the fate of the Twin Metals copper mining project in Minnesota, as it works to balance economic growth and strong opposition from environmentalists.
    https://news.yahoo.com/biden-officia...171711261.html

    Want to bet on the outcome of that?

    That's just two and just for copper that would have greatly reduced the sky high price of this metal right now, but Joke doesn't care as his radical Leftist handlers want to end mining because it's evil or something. Wrecking the economy in the name of "environmental justice" whatever that retarded Leftist moniker means, is just the norm for this braindead administration.

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    awesome thread bump. JPP at it finest!

    Slo-Joe thinks we are just going to plug in green jobs. The Chinese have the market, and control rare earths
    We gonna be colonized buying from them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
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    Excellent article by Steve Milloy, let's see one of you bullshitters try to argue with him!



    https://www.realclearenergy.org/arti...na_779801.html

    https://junkscience.com/2021/06/joe-...dent-on-china/
    What was Putin's puppet tRump's climate plan other than destroying the EPA, destroying the eco systems, destroying the air in terms of deregulation that increased the amount of toxin emissions, recklessly making it possible to destroy protected lands in America as his mission to kill Democracy but the fool was basically killing the Earth's eco system at doing the bidding of his foreign enemy pimps.

    Consider some facts versus your trolling fiction:

    How Biden is reversing Trump's assault on the environment

    The new president is focusing on seven key areas to reverse a legacy of environmental destruction and climate denialism

    Faced with an unfolding climate crisis that is fueling more powerful storms, enormous wildfires and scorching heatwaves in the US, Donald Trump unapologetically set about dismantling policies to cut planet-heating emissions, mocked or ignored climate science, and threw open vast tracts of American land and water to fossil fuel development.

    The systematic reversals in environmental protections pose a challenge to Joe Biden, Trump’s successor as US president, who has called climate change the “existential threat of our time”. Biden has set about the task of undoing Trump’s legacy with hyperactive zeal, through a flurry of executive actions. In all, about 100 Trump-era environmental policies are being targeted, although some may take several years to reverse. Here’s how Biden is doing it.

    1) Protecting endangered animals and their habitats
    wildlife
    What Trump did In an attempt to offer up more area for oil and gas drilling, which the industry said would be a boon for jobs, the Trump administration weakened key interpretations of the Endangered Species Act, making it harder to protect endangered species and their habitats. Rules banning the killing of migratory birds were loosened, companies were allowed to “incidentally” kill animals as they went about drilling, and creatures suffering large population declines, such as the monarch butterfly, were denied endangered species listing.

    What Biden is doing Biden is reviewing, and will probably reverse, Trump’s wildlife rollbacks, such as those involving the protection of migratory birds and the application of endangered species rules. Other planned reforms should aid species facing what scientists say is the Earth’s sixth mass extinction event, such as clean water rules that safeguard streams and wetlands, environmental reviews of potentially destructive projects and the halting of fossil fuel development in places such as the Arctic national wildlife refuge, a vital, pristine wilderness for birds, caribou and other creatures.


    2) Protecting land that was opened up to drilling
    landmgmt
    What Trump did Trump immediately approved the Keystone XL pipeline and the Dakota Access pipeline, two contentious projects moving vast amounts of oil that were cheered by industry but enraged various farming, climate and Native American groups. The former president opened up almost all of the federally managed land and ocean for oil and gas drilling including, for the first time, Arctic waters. He also shrank two national monuments in Utah – Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante.

    What Biden can do Biden has halted oil and gas leasing on public lands, opening up a pathway for a total ban, and is set to reverse the shrinking of the protected national monuments. The new administration has set a goal of protecting 30% of America’s land and oceans by 2030 and has a plan to create a “civilian climate corps” that would work to restore degraded landscapes and waterways. The Keystone pipeline has been blocked, with other similar projects now looking highly uncertain.


    3) Strengthening rules on air quality and carbon emissions
    Emissions
    What Trump did Under Trump, the US stalled or weakened various measures aimed at curbing greenhouse gas emissions and direct air pollutants that cause various respiratory and heart conditions. Pollution standards for cars and trucks were scaled back and California was barred from enacting tougher rules. Also axed were rules to reduce leaks of methane, a potent warming gas, and standards to limit pollution from airplanes and refrigeration. The clean power plan, the linchpin Barack Obama-era plan to reduce carbon emissions from power plants, was scrapped and replaced with a weaker alternative.

    What Biden can do Biden is working, in concert with car manufacturers, on a new, higher standard of fuel efficiency for vehicles. He has ordered his administration to help accelerate the rollout of clean energy such as solar and wind to shift the US away from polluting sources such as coal and gas that contribute to climate change and poor air quality. The methane standards will be reinstated and a particular focus will be placed upon communities, typically people of color, who have suffered poor health from living next to pollution sources such as highways and industrial facilities.


    4) Regulating toxic chemicals according to the science
    chemicals
    What Trump did In a flurry of deregulatory actions, the Trump administration loosened rules on storing petroleum products, weakened standards around lead in paints, fast-tracked toxic flame retardants and declined to restrict or ban a host of chemicals, from crop pesticides to paint strippers, that scientists have warned pose a threat to human health.

    What Biden can do Biden’s Environmental Protection Agency has been ordered to review how the Toxic Substances Control Act is used to protect people from harmful substances. There will also be a review of the fast-tracking of chemicals in the Trump era, as well as the decision to not ban other harmful substances. The president has said he wants to aid communities such as those found in Louisiana’s “cancer alley” that have been blighted by nearby chemical facilities.


    5) Protecting waterways and drinking water
    water
    What Trump did The federal government’s role in protecting the nation’s waterways has been a contested issue for some time and the Trump administration decided to settle upon a very narrow definition that meant it would not oversee pollution that occurred in various wetlands and temporary streams. There was also a tepid response, advocates say, to protecting Americans’ drinking water supply in the wake of the Flint water crisis.

    What Biden can do Biden has committed to regulating PFAS chemicals, known as “forever chemicals” found in the drinking water of almost all Americans, as well as reviewing the application of the clean water act.


    6) Enforcing environmental regulations
    local
    What Trump did Businesses or individuals that carelessly pollute the environment risk being prosecuted by the federal government but enforcement of such rules dropped off dramatically during the Trump years. Environmental reviews for major projects were weakened, enforcement of air pollution rules was relaxed and agencies were restricted from setting new environmental rules.

    What Biden can do The new administration has signaled it will aggressively pursue polluters, particularly those operating in communities that have long been overlooked. Biden himself has backed the idea of fossil fuel companies being sued for damages for the pollution and climate change they have caused.

    7) Rescinding rules that benefit industry at the cost of the environment
    industry
    What Trump did The Trump administration removed a large burden of rules from companies, even if they seemingly had little impact other than to harm the environment. Clothes washing machines and lightbulbs were allowed to be less efficient and environmentally friendly, coal plants were allowed to more easily dump their waste into waterways and the air and offshore drilling regulations, implemented after the Deepwater Horizon disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, were repealed.

    What Biden can do Most of the regulations jettisoned by Trump are being reviewed by Biden’s administration and will likely be reinstated, although court challenges will probably slow the process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...climate-crisis

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    We mined rare earth metals here for a long time. It is a filthy process and when you fight regulations, which every mine owner does, we have a serious mess. So when they were found in China, we started using theirs.https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/17/the-...th-metals.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Meanwhile, the Joke Biden administration is doing everything it can to make America more dependent on foreign sources for minerals...


    https://azfreenews.com/2021/03/biden...n-copper-mine/


    https://news.yahoo.com/biden-officia...171711261.html

    Want to bet on the outcome of that?

    That's just two and just for copper that would have greatly reduced the sky high price of this metal right now, but Joke doesn't care as his radical Leftist handlers want to end mining because it's evil or something. Wrecking the economy in the name of "environmental justice" whatever that retarded Leftist moniker means, is just the norm for this braindead administration.
    It's typical how the Dems are beholden to Big Green, it's truly bloody crazy how they weaponise the EPA and other government agencies to hamstring the economy and help the Chinese to achieve world domination. Another good example is Mountain Pass in California, the only source for rare earths in the US. Molycorp went bankrupt due to the Chinese reducing the prices of their rare earths and now although production has started again, processing has to be done in China. If you think that's crazy then you're totally correct.



    The collapse of American rare earth mining — and lessons learned

    Out in the Mojave Desert in California lies the Mountain Pass mine, once the world’s foremost supplier of valuable rare earth minerals — 17 elements deemed critical to modern society. In an age where China controls 80 percent of the global output of these minerals, it is strange to believe that a once-dominant source sits within the United States. Stranger still is the tale of how this mine came to supply the Chinese rare earths industry. In 1952, Mountain Pass opened. First explored as a uranium deposit, it soon supplied rare earths for the electronic needs of the Cold War economy. Until the 1990s, it stood alone as the only major source of rare earths worldwide.





    By 2002, however, the mine was defunct. In the eyes of the U.S. government and major manufacturers, it no longer made sense to acquire rare earths from a U.S. source subject to stringent environmental regulations. Instead, the hard business of extracting useful minerals was exported to other countries, where environmental damage was safely out of sight. China happily obliged, allowing environmental harm to proliferate so long as the costs of rare earth mining were kept down.



    In 2008, a group of investors formed Molycorp and convinced Wall Street to resurrect Mountain Pass under an audacious plan dubbed “Project Phoenix.” With the promise of wealth to be generated from new (but untested) technologies, Molycorp bullishly claimed that it could compete with (or even underprice) China’s near-monopoly. Molycorp’s critics weren’t convinced, pointing to the immaturity of the company’s mineral separation technology, the high barriers to entry and the lingering threat of the Chinese monopoly to manipulate prices at will.



    Despite these reservations, Wall Street and the Pentagon supported the project. For the Pentagon, and for an administration often indifferent to mining interests, it was a dream come true: Private investors would deliver a secure supply chain without the U.S. government’s help.



    At first the situation looked promising. Chinese companies restricted rare earth exports to Japan over a diplomatic dispute in 2010, leading prices to spike. Molycorp’s stock would later soar. The cash-rich company announced several acquisitions — processing plants in Arizona and Estonia as well as a Canadian rare earth technology group named Neo Materials that had extensive operations in China.



    But in actuality, Molycorp was struggling to stay solvent. Those new innovative technologies? They didn’t generate significant revenue or work as designed. By 2013, the company’s revenues were in free fall. The president and CEO stepped down amid an investigation by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission into the accuracy of the company’s public disclosures (though he was never charged with any wrongdoing).

    As the company’s fortunes dwindled, its new CEO oversaw much of Molycorp’s most profitable assets being transferred to Chinese-linked Neo Materials, where he formerly served as CEO. Molycorp’s final remaining husk declared bankruptcy in 2014. Unsurprisingly, the majority of Neo Materials’ revenue-producing operations are now in China. To make matters worse, the Mountain Pass mine was purchased out of bankruptcy by a consortium that included a Chinese-owned firm.


    By 2017, it was obvious that in the showdown between Molycorp and China, the Chinese had won. Mountain Pass was now sending U.S.-mined rare earth concentrate to China for processing. The dream of a one-stop American rare earths solution was over, and the private sector had little appetite for reviving it.



    The history of Molycorp is littered with “what ifs.” What if the Pentagon’s mid-2010s industrial policy determined that rare earths were critical to national security, like it does now? And, most importantly, what if American customers, including those in the U.S. government, had decided that diversifying their rare earth supplies with an American source had been worthwhile?



    Recently there have been stirrings of interest in repatriating rare earth production to the United States. The U.S. military has become acutely aware of its dependence on China, due in part to belligerent Chinese threats to cut rare earth exports. American companies, too, are realizing how dependent they are on this single supplier, a country that is becoming more expensive to work with as trade tensions rise. However, those in the private sector know all too well how difficult it is for companies to take proactive supply chain steps. Therefore, it is the government’s responsibility to set the stage for increased American rare earth production.



    There are a number of steps the U.S. government can take to establish a more certain future for domestic rare earth production. Reducing red tape and bureaucratic inertia will lower costs and reduce risk — there is no reason that permitting a mine in the United States should take five times longer than it does in Canada or Australia.



    The government can also protect the market, at little cost, from Chinese manipulation by agreeing to purchase rare earths from American producers when such materials are intended for military systems. Instead of funding substitution technologies to reduce demand for rare earths, the U.S. should invest in production technologies to increase its supply.

    https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/...ssons-learned/

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Meanwhile, the Joke Biden administration is doing everything it can to make America more dependent on foreign sources for minerals...


    https://azfreenews.com/2021/03/biden...n-copper-mine/


    https://news.yahoo.com/biden-officia...171711261.html

    Want to bet on the outcome of that?

    That's just two and just for copper that would have greatly reduced the sky high price of this metal right now, but Joke doesn't care as his radical Leftist handlers want to end mining because it's evil or something. Wrecking the economy in the name of "environmental justice" whatever that retarded Leftist moniker means, is just the norm for this braindead administration.
    It's typical how the Dems are beholden to Big Green, it's truly bloody crazy how they weaponise the EPA and other government agencies to hamstring the economy and help the Chinese to achieve world domination. Another good example is Mountain Pass in California, the only source for rare earths in the US. Molycorp went bankrupt due to the Chinese reducing the prices of their rare earths and now, although production has started again, processing has to be done in China. If you think that's crazy then you're totally correct. If you want somebody to blame then the prime candidate is Obama who just sat back, watched the collapse and did fuck all.



    The collapse of American rare earth mining — and lessons learned

    Out in the Mojave Desert in California lies the Mountain Pass mine, once the world’s foremost supplier of valuable rare earth minerals — 17 elements deemed critical to modern society. In an age where China controls 80 percent of the global output of these minerals, it is strange to believe that a once-dominant source sits within the United States. Stranger still is the tale of how this mine came to supply the Chinese rare earths industry. In 1952, Mountain Pass opened. First explored as a uranium deposit, it soon supplied rare earths for the electronic needs of the Cold War economy. Until the 1990s, it stood alone as the only major source of rare earths worldwide.

    By 2002, however, the mine was defunct. In the eyes of the U.S. government and major manufacturers, it no longer made sense to acquire rare earths from a U.S. source subject to stringent environmental regulations. Instead, the hard business of extracting useful minerals was exported to other countries, where environmental damage was safely out of sight. China happily obliged, allowing environmental harm to proliferate so long as the costs of rare earth mining were kept down.

    In 2008, a group of investors formed Molycorp and convinced Wall Street to resurrect Mountain Pass under an audacious plan dubbed “Project Phoenix.” With the promise of wealth to be generated from new (but untested) technologies, Molycorp bullishly claimed that it could compete with (or even underprice) China’s near-monopoly. Molycorp’s critics weren’t convinced, pointing to the immaturity of the company’s mineral separation technology, the high barriers to entry and the lingering threat of the Chinese monopoly to manipulate prices at will.

    Despite these reservations, Wall Street and the Pentagon supported the project. For the Pentagon, and for an administration often indifferent to mining interests, it was a dream come true: Private investors would deliver a secure supply chain without the U.S. government’s help.

    At first the situation looked promising. Chinese companies restricted rare earth exports to Japan over a diplomatic dispute in 2010, leading prices to spike. Molycorp’s stock would later soar. The cash-rich company announced several acquisitions — processing plants in Arizona and Estonia as well as a Canadian rare earth technology group named Neo Materials that had extensive operations in China.

    But in actuality, Molycorp was struggling to stay solvent. Those new innovative technologies? They didn’t generate significant revenue or work as designed. By 2013, the company’s revenues were in free fall. The president and CEO stepped down amid an investigation by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission into the accuracy of the company’s public disclosures (though he was never charged with any wrongdoing).

    As the company’s fortunes dwindled, its new CEO oversaw much of Molycorp’s most profitable assets being transferred to Chinese-linked Neo Materials, where he formerly served as CEO. Molycorp’s final remaining husk declared bankruptcy in 2014. Unsurprisingly, the majority of Neo Materials’ revenue-producing operations are now in China. To make matters worse, the Mountain Pass mine was purchased out of bankruptcy by a consortium that included a Chinese-owned firm.

    By 2017, it was obvious that in the showdown between Molycorp and China, the Chinese had won. Mountain Pass was now sending U.S.-mined rare earth concentrate to China for processing. The dream of a one-stop American rare earths solution was over, and the private sector had little appetite for reviving it.

    The history of Molycorp is littered with “what ifs.” What if the Pentagon’s mid-2010s industrial policy determined that rare earths were critical to national security, like it does now? And, most importantly, what if American customers, including those in the U.S. government, had decided that diversifying their rare earth supplies with an American source had been worthwhile?

    Recently there have been stirrings of interest in repatriating rare earth production to the United States. The U.S. military has become acutely aware of its dependence on China, due in part to belligerent Chinese threats to cut rare earth exports. American companies, too, are realizing how dependent they are on this single supplier, a country that is becoming more expensive to work with as trade tensions rise. However, those in the private sector know all too well how difficult it is for companies to take proactive supply chain steps. Therefore, it is the government’s responsibility to set the stage for increased American rare earth production.

    There are a number of steps the U.S. government can take to establish a more certain future for domestic rare earth production. Reducing red tape and bureaucratic inertia will lower costs and reduce risk — there is no reason that permitting a mine in the United States should take five times longer than it does in Canada or Australia.

    The government can also protect the market, at little cost, from Chinese manipulation by agreeing to purchase rare earths from American producers when such materials are intended for military systems. Instead of funding substitution technologies to reduce demand for rare earths, the U.S. should invest in production technologies to increase its supply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    awesome thread bump. JPP at it finest!

    Slo-Joe thinks we are just going to plug in green jobs. The Chinese have the market, and control rare earths
    We gonna be colonized buying from them
    Unfortunately I believe that's correct.. It will be very, very difficult.. The CCP has been diligently & deliberately plotting this & a plethora of other choke points since the gop, dems & wallstreet honored them into the WTO (west throw out~ throw the west out)..

    We are way behind, years.. Years wasted, treasure & lives wasted in the middle east fighting & gaining nothing while the CCP continuously expanded their tentacles unhindered & unabated.....

    They are taking their surplus & putting it to work w/ the BRI but we are exponentially expanding our debt and fighting amongst ourselves unable to even agree to fix our own roads, bridges etc............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Unfortunately I believe that's correct.. It will be very, very difficult.. The CCP has been diligently & deliberately plotting this & a plethora of other choke points since the gop, dems & wallstreet honored them into the WTO (west throw out~ throw the west out)..

    We are way behind, years.. Years wasted, treasure & lives wasted in the middle east fighting & gaining nothing while the CCP continuously expanded their tentacles unhindered & unabated.....

    They are taking their surplus & putting it to work w/ the BRI but we are exponentially expanding our debt and fighting amongst ourselves unable to even agree to fix our own roads, bridges etc............
    the way to do it is phase in green, but not at the expense of fossil fuels..
    use our own R&D, and look to compete (same with any manufactured product)
    Unfortunately this "crisis" and Biden rejoining the Paris accords hysterical approach is what's happening instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    It's typical how the Dems are beholden to Big Green, it's truly bloody crazy how they weaponise the EPA and other government agencies to hamstring the economy and help the Chinese to achieve world domination. Another good example is Mountain Pass in California, the only source for rare earths in the US. Molycorp went bankrupt due to the Chinese reducing the prices of their rare earths and now although production has started again, processing has to be done in China. If you think that's crazy then you're totally correct.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    the way to do it is phase in green, but not at the expense of fossil fuels..
    use our own R&D, and look to compete (same with any manufactured product)
    Unfortunately this "crisis" and Biden rejoining the Paris accords hysterical approach is what's happening instead


    I think it is good that we are part of the deal but not that China & India have a huge advantage/pass on polluting..

    WTF good does it do when the two largest polluters, breathing down our necks continue to pollute & cheat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Excellent article by Steve Milloy, let's see one of you bullshitters try to argue with him!

    People disagree on climate science and the magnitude and effects of climate change. That said, there is one thing on which we should all be able to agree: Joe Biden’s climate plan will put America at the mercy of its superpower rival, China.

    Joe Biden’s climate agenda involves replacing the coal and gas plants powering our electrical grid with wind and solar farms. He also wants to replace gasoline-powered cars, buses and trucks with electric vehicles.


    A new report from the International Energy Agency (IEA), “The Role of Critical Minerals in Clean Energy Transitions,” lays out the national security implications of this plan.

    The technologies involved in wind and solar power and electric vehicles are much more reliant than their conventional alternatives on metals and minerals including copper, lithium, nickel, manganese, cobalt, graphite chromium, molybdenum, zinc, rare-earths and silicon.

    Wind and solar technologies require about three to eight times more of these materials per megawatt of electricity than coal and natural gas plants. Electric cars require about five times more of these materials than conventional cars.

    Putting aside the very significant issue of how the world could possibly ramp up the production of these essential materials in the quantities that would be required not only by the U.S. but around the world, where these materials come from should be a threshold concern.

    The IEA reports that China is one of the top three locations for the mining of copper, nickel, rare-earths and lithium. When it comes to mining rare-earths, China is responsible for 60% of global extraction. But there’s more to these essential materials than mining; they must be processed as well.

    When it comes to processing the ores, China is the leader for all of them plus cobalt, the latter of which is mostly mined in the Congo. China processes about 35% of the global nickel supply, 40% of copper, 55% of lithium, 65% of cobalt and 85% of rare-earths.

    So thanks to its low-wage and slave labor and lack of environmental regulations, China has successfully positioned itself to have a stranglehold on the global production of raw materials essential for the goal of the climate agenda.

    Does this matter to the U.S.? Yes. We get, for example, 80% of our rare-earths from China. And no “clean energy” technology happens without rare-earths. So rare-earths alone are a potential game stopper.

    Would China weaponize its production of these materials? Last October 2020, The Wall Street Journal reported, “A new law will allow China to ban exports to protect national security.” In February of this year, Bloomberg reported, “China may ban the export of rare-earths refining technology to countries or companies it deems as a threat on state security concerns.” The U.S. is China’s main rival, so yes, that threat matters.

    But would China really retaliate against the U.S.? One look no further than the ongoing one-sided trade war between China and Australia. For daring to criticize China over its handling of coronavirus, China has blocked or tariffed the import of a variety of Australian imports. Australian coal ships and their crews and have actually been stranded in Chinese waters for as long as 269 days waiting to unload their cargo.

    Keep in mind that while Biden’s goal is for the U.S. to be at net-zero emissions by 2050, China’s goal is to be the lone global superpower by 2049.



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    It's so nice to wake up every morning and re-realize the orange deranged clown is back in Florida golfing.
    It was just a 4 year nightmare.

    Meanwhile, Joe Biden is bowling a perfect game.
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