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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    They had PCB's in the 1950's. They are common, and products containing them are easily purchased.



    I have been trying to get into OpenCL for a while, but simply do not have the time. OpenCL is a way to program the graphics processing unit(GPU) to solve problems other than just graphics. And honestly, mostly what I do is text editing, so I do not need that much actual graphics power. I went middle of the road, and I believe I got the "Radeon Pro Vega II with 32GB of HBM2 memory", but I might be misremembering it. I believe that is an AMD chip.

    Now OpenCL on an external GPU box, that is bleeding edge.



    I did put in the purchase order, but it was work that paid for it. It was also closer to $12k.
    That makes it twice as bad.

    2 pro Vega IIs for $12K I hope?

    Do you mean Vega pro duo?

    Idk, AMD if you can get it, is probably the way to go going forward.

    Apparently they are being successful with die shrinks and Intel is flopping like a fish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    That makes it twice as bad.
    Want to hear worse, I really do not use it much. They are indirectly managing trillions in transactions, so really do not care about $12k.

    I have got to find the time to work out OpenCL. It is a bit of a step back from FPGA's, but far more marketable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Want to hear worse, I really do not use it much. They are indirectly managing trillions in transactions, so really do not care about $12k.

    I have got to find the time to work out OpenCL. It is a bit of a step back from FPGA's, but far more marketable.
    OpenCL is not rocket surgery. It's not C++ or ASM, either.
    Obscure easy stuff. Kinda better with XP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    "Who Owns the US Debt?"
    https://fortunly.com/articles/who-do...s-owe-money-to

    "The short answer: A big chunk of it is held by the US government itself. The rest is held by private investors and foreign governments. Foreign governments hold about 30% of US public debt."
    Giant corporation, especially tech, own the US government. They get a 1000 X return on their donation. Corporate welfare is inverted totalitarianism, political philosopher Sheldon Wolin wrote a book about it.

    The working class get hit the hardest by debt, even the middle class are feeling the effects of debt. Look at all the economists warnings about the upcoming reset. Anyone with a pension or social security is in trouble.

    I'm not going to argue with you, you're the only one here who thinks I'm funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    I fail to see how they can be at their highest ever when none of those companies are even bringing any products to market.

    How can the stock be soaring when they have no product to market at all?

    There is NO inventory. Zero! No products whatsoever!

    I think China might be trying to take over Taiwan may be the reason.

    I just can't wrap my head around how companies with nothing to sell can have their stock keep rising.

    I tell you this: It's unsustainable.
    Easy. Inflation. Yes...it's unsustainable. We are headed for a cash crash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I hope that is true. I'd hate to see China ruling over the world in Technology.
    Have no fear. No one rules the world in technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    I fail to see how they can be at their highest ever when none of those companies are even bringing any products to market.

    How can the stock be soaring when they have no product to market at all?

    There is NO inventory. Zero! No products whatsoever!

    I think China might be trying to take over Taiwan may be the reason.

    I just can't wrap my head around how companies with nothing to sell can have their stock keep rising.

    I tell you this: It's unsustainable.
    Their "product" is advertising and media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    The US has been throwing taxpayer money at tech for 80 years, yet China is still kicking our ass. I recommend everyone start a vegetable garden this year before things get ugly.
    I guess you forgot that the display you are probably viewing right now came from the Sharp corporation, in Japan, built in Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    They'd have to grow an awful lot to make good on those prices. I think it's a bubble.

    Especially if China takes over Taiwan.
    If China takes Taiwan, it will mean war in eastern Asia. Remember that Japan, Korea, and Russia all have an interest in a free Taiwan. Whether Biden decides to ignore and break the treaties there remains to be seen. So far he has indicated he will do exactly that. He supports China expansionism.

    If Taiwan falls, much of the custom chip industry goes with it. People will have to go back to using stock chips until another supply of custom stuff develops. Yes...that means Apple will be in trouble. Much of what they sell depends on custom chips. It will hit Nintendo as well, and several other products and companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Giant corporation, especially tech, own the US government.
    No corporation owns the US government. There is no US government. What was the federal government has fallen. It has been converted into an oligarchy so the Democrats can implement fascism and communism. The States of America are each now deciding whether to align with this oligarchy, or to attempt to reform a union under a constitution. I call it the Socialist Oligarchy of the District of Columbia (SODC) now.
    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    They get a 1000 X return on their donation. Corporate welfare is inverted totalitarianism, political philosopher Sheldon Wolin wrote a book about it.
    Sheldon Wolin isn't here. Holy Reference.
    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    The working class get hit the hardest by debt, even the middle class are feeling the effects of debt.
    The SODC is broke. Everyone is feeling the effects of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Look at all the economists warnings about the upcoming reset.
    Reset? There ain't no button, dude.
    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Anyone with a pension or social security is in trouble.
    Anyone dependent on the SODC is in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Have no fear. No one rules the world in technology.
    Did you hear about the Colonial pipeline cyber attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The military budget is $721.5 billion. About half of that goes to salaries and other personnel expenses, with the other half going to defense contractors and infrastructure.

    Default means that one cannot pay to service one's debts. The USA is easily servicing its debts.
    It's pentagon accounting fraud. GWB removed the cost of war from the budget. We have military bases all over the world that are not in the budget. Veterans benefits and intelligence agencies are not part of discretionary spending. There are countless hidden cost we'll never know about. Remember the $800 toilet seats?

    How much does it cost to build and maintain 283 F-35s and 44 aircraft carriers that are riddled with problems, plus nuclear weapons upkeep? I bet half of the US budget goes to the pentagon, and that's why we have so much debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    I fail to see how they can be at their highest ever when none of those companies are even bringing any products to market.

    How can the stock be soaring when they have no product to market at all?

    There is NO inventory. Zero! No products whatsoever!

    I think China might be trying to take over Taiwan may be the reason.

    I just can't wrap my head around how companies with nothing to sell can have their stock keep rising.

    I tell you this: It's unsustainable.
    Thanks for telling us everything you know about tech stocks in 1/2 a minute!

    Are you Smith or Barney?


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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    It's pentagon accounting fraud. GWB removed the cost of war from the budget.
    That was not the Pentagon, that was Bush and the Republicans. The war was put under a supplemental budget, so was considered part of the budget. Nothing was completely hidden, but it was delayed by a few months. Obama put an end to that, so things are better.

    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    We have military bases all over the world that are not in the budget.
    If taxpayers are paying for it, it is part of the budget.

    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Veterans benefits and intelligence agencies are not part of discretionary spending.
    Veteran benefits are part of the Veterans Administration budget. Intelligence agencies are part of the intelligence agency budget. Roads are part of the roads budget. No fraud there.

    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    I bet half of the US budget goes to the pentagon, and that's why we have so much debt.
    About 60% goes to Social Security and Medicare. That old people are the big expense. How old are you?

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