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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Ignoring your complex and leading questions as such, the answer is no, I didn't support the capitol riot on Jan 6. It wasn't an "insurrection" as no one--not a single person--has been charged with that crime. I also don't support the rioting all summer of Antifa, BLM, and related groups across the US that did over a thousand times more property damage, far more injuries to persons and police, and losses to business in the form of both property destruction and looting.
    I'm not a fucking lawyer nor do I play one on the Internet. You can call it a "Tea Party" if you like. <---See what I did there? LOL

    The fact remains these fucking assholes tried to overthrow the government for Trump and Trump encouraged them. What is proved in court remains to be seen.
    Stripping Americans of their rights, regardless if inalienable or unenumerated, is against American ideals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I'm not a fucking lawyer nor do I play one on the Internet. You can call it a "Tea Party" if you like. <---See what I did there? LOL

    The fact remains these fucking assholes tried to overthrow the government for Trump and Trump encouraged them. What is proved in court remains to be seen.
    Then why were none of them charged with that?

    Here, go through the official list of those charged...

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

    I have. Nobody is charged with treason, insurrection, or anything like that. Most are charged with simple trespass and disorderly conduct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Then why were none of them charged with that?

    Here, go through the official list of those charged...

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

    I have. Nobody is charged with treason, insurrection, or anything like that. Most are charged with simple trespass and disorderly conduct.
    I don't know and, TBH, don't really care. All I know for sure is that all of them are fucked.

    Most were fucked to begin with because of their mental issues. Some will be doing some really serious hard time. I doubt the judges will be lenient with the violent ones or those who came prepared to be violent and attack Congress. Premeditation carries a huge multiplier with it.

    Donovan Ray Crowl is a militia leader whose family knew he's been going around the bend for several years. His mother and sister acknowledged it and admitted there was nothing that could be done about it.

    Notice that most of those arrested conveniently uploaded the evidence per Trump's orders. LOL

    This isn't going away just because Trump or the Republicans don't like it.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/defe...wl-donovan-ray

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1356106/download
    https://www.facebook.com/WBNS10TV/po...9823831769369/

    https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/c...NZJ3ZJN2IBPGE/
    He is accused of conspiring and participating in a riot designed to prevent Congress from certifying the presidential election for President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.

    He is charged with nine other defendants in the case, including fellow Champaign County resident Jessica Watkins.

    Prosecutors also say that Crowl and Watkins are members of the Oath Keepers, a group that believes the government has been taken over “by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights.”

    Prosecutors said Crowl held a leadership role with the Oath Keepers, while the defense denied Crowl being associated with the Oath Keepers at all.
    Stripping Americans of their rights, regardless if inalienable or unenumerated, is against American ideals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I don't know and, TBH, don't really care. All I know for sure is that all of them are fucked.

    Most were fucked to begin with because of their mental issues. Some will be doing some really serious hard time. I doubt the judges will be lenient with the violent ones or those who came prepared to be violent and attack Congress. Premeditation carries a huge multiplier with it.

    Donovan Ray Crowl is a militia leader whose family knew he's been going around the bend for several years. His mother and sister acknowledged it and admitted there was nothing that could be done about it.

    Notice that most of those arrested conveniently uploaded the evidence per Trump's orders. LOL

    This isn't going away just because Trump or the Republicans don't like it.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/defe...wl-donovan-ray

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1356106/download
    https://www.facebook.com/WBNS10TV/po...9823831769369/

    https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/c...NZJ3ZJN2IBPGE/
    He is accused of conspiring and participating in a riot designed to prevent Congress from certifying the presidential election for President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.

    He is charged with nine other defendants in the case, including fellow Champaign County resident Jessica Watkins.

    Prosecutors also say that Crowl and Watkins are members of the Oath Keepers, a group that believes the government has been taken over “by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights.”

    Prosecutors said Crowl held a leadership role with the Oath Keepers, while the defense denied Crowl being associated with the Oath Keepers at all.
    Actually, about 80 to 90% will plea out to misdemeanor charges and get a slap on the wrist, the other 10% will be split between those that have enough resources to go to trial or face serious charges. The ones that go to trial will mostly end up being dropped as the government won't have a solid case against them. The others in this group facing serious charges will plea out to a single felony and do minimum security time of maybe a year or two at most.

    Federal persecutors don't want trials. They damn sure don't want one where the defendant and their lawyer is demanding discovery like all--ALL--of the security camera recorded video, all 14,000 hours of it. The persecutor will know that that is going to open a huge can of worms politically and is to be avoided. Better to let one defendant walk than have ammunition made public to let dozens, possibly up to a hundred or more, walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Actually, about 80 to 90% will plea out to misdemeanor charges and get a slap on the wrist, the other 10% will be split between those that have enough resources to go to trial or face serious charges. The ones that go to trial will mostly end up being dropped as the government won't have a solid case against them. The others in this group facing serious charges will plea out to a single felony and do minimum security time of maybe a year or two at most.

    Federal persecutors don't want trials. They damn sure don't want one where the defendant and their lawyer is demanding discovery like all--ALL--of the security camera recorded video, all 14,000 hours of it. The persecutor will know that that is going to open a huge can of worms politically and is to be avoided. Better to let one defendant walk than have ammunition made public to let dozens, possibly up to a hundred or more, walk.
    We can wager on it or simply wait for the sentencings to begin. Regardless, most of these dipshits have certainly been fired from their jobs if they had one. Any plea is a guilty plea. They'll carry that record for the rest of their lives...not that many of them were going to become VPs of Fortune 500 companies. LOL

    How many have a previous record? Weapons charges? Public disturbance in other protests? These idiots are fucked with a capital "F".


    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...me-jan-6-cases
    As prosecutors close in on charging 500 people with joining the Jan. 6 insurrection at the US Capitol, just how much prison time — or how little — alleged rioters are facing is starting to become clear.

    Defendants who plead guilty to some of the most serious crimes, like assaulting police or carrying a weapon into the Capitol, are facing an average baseline sentence between three to four years behind bars; that could go up depending on the level of violence or down if the person cooperates, among other factors. Defendants hit with a nonviolent felony, such as obstructing Congress, are looking at an average baseline of around a year and a half. And federal law caps sentences for misdemeanors such as disorderly conduct and protesting in the Capitol between six months and a year, which means first-time offenders who cut a deal could argue for no prison time at all.
    Stripping Americans of their rights, regardless if inalienable or unenumerated, is against American ideals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    We can wager on it or simply wait for the sentencings to begin. Regardless, most of these dipshits have certainly been fired from their jobs if they had one. Any plea is a guilty plea. They'll carry that record for the rest of their lives...not that many of them were going to become VPs of Fortune 500 companies. LOL

    How many have a previous record? Weapons charges? Public disturbance in other protests? These idiots are fucked with a capital "F".


    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...me-jan-6-cases
    As prosecutors close in on charging 500 people with joining the Jan. 6 insurrection at the US Capitol, just how much prison time — or how little — alleged rioters are facing is starting to become clear.

    Defendants who plead guilty to some of the most serious crimes, like assaulting police or carrying a weapon into the Capitol, are facing an average baseline sentence between three to four years behind bars; that could go up depending on the level of violence or down if the person cooperates, among other factors. Defendants hit with a nonviolent felony, such as obstructing Congress, are looking at an average baseline of around a year and a half. And federal law caps sentences for misdemeanors such as disorderly conduct and protesting in the Capitol between six months and a year, which means first-time offenders who cut a deal could argue for no prison time at all.
    Only 2% of federal criminal defendants go to trial, and most who do are found guilty
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...t%20to%20trial.

    Like in Vegas you play the odds...

    Since the great majority of the 500+ charged are looking at misdemeanor charges for trespass and disturbing the peace, most will do little or no time in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...t%20to%20trial.

    Like in Vegas you play the odds...

    Since the great majority of the 500+ charged are looking at misdemeanor charges for trespass and disturbing the peace, most will do little or no time in prison.
    Agreed. They'll go back to their former employer with their guilty plea of attacking the Capitol and ask for their job back. LOL

    I used to love Vegas. It taught me a lot. I was at MCAS Tustin and was a 3 hour drive away. I'd go about once a quarter.
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