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    Well have you? No of course not! Turkey is run by an odious monster but would you ever see the Left denounce Erdogan like they have Netanyahu? Oh they started on about Trump supposedly abandoning the Kurds but that soon stopped once SloJo gained power.


    Did you know that for the past three weeks Turkey has been engaged in a military assault on Iraqi Kurdistan? It’s been brutal. The Turks, who have one of the most powerful military forces on Earth, have used F-16s, F-4 Terminators and other terrifying hi-tech weaponry to pummel Kurdish positions in northern Iraq.

    Families have fled their homes in terror. Livelihoods have been destroyed.

    ‘Every day, every night… we are being bombed. Our lands are being destroyed. We cannot grow our crops’, says a Kurdish farmer.

    It’s unclear how many people have died. According to Turkey, dozens of Kurdish people, mostly militants, apparently, have been killed or captured.

    Have you seen any big, rowdy protests in the UK about this worrying act of asymmetrical warfare? Have you seen any footballers wave the Kurdish flag in solidarity with displaced, terrified Kurds? Have you seen social media swamped by furious denunciations of the ‘bloodthirsty’ Turks and outpourings of love and concern for the brutalised Kurds?

    There is nothing very rational or normal about the hatred for Israel that sporadically sweeps the West
    I haven’t. I have seen all of that kind of stuff in relation to Israel, constantly, every minute of every day — loud and ever-more self-righteous condemnations of Israel for being a vile, evil, crime-committing nation, a pox on the Earth. But on Turkey’s latest assault on the Kurds? Nothing. Not a peep. Carry on, Turkey — no one’s watching.

    There’s a question that hangs like a long, dark shadow over Western leftists’ and liberals’ furious opposition to Israel, and I have never heard a satisfactory answer to it. It’s this: why do you hate Israel more than any other nation?

    Why does Israeli militarism offend and horrify you more than Turkish militarism, or Saudi militarism, or American and British militarism for that matter? Why is it ‘genocide’ and ‘war crimes’ and ‘bloodletting’ when Israel takes action against Palestinian militants, but not when Turkey takes action against Kurdish militants? Seriously — what is the answer?

    Turkey’s incursion into Iraqi Kurdistan is called Operation Claw-Lightning. It started on 23 April. It is part of Turkey’s long-running war with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), the militant Kurdish organisation dedicated to creating an independent Kurdistan and based mainly in south-eastern Turkey and northern Iraq.

    Operation Claw-Lightning is a follow-up to Operation Claw, a Turkish onslaught in Iraqi Kurdistan that lasted from May 2019 to June 2020. Hundreds of people were killed or wounded in that operation. These operations, of course, are only the latest flare-ups in Turkey’s 40-year war with Kurdish militants, which has led to the deaths of around 20,000 Kurdish civilians and the destruction of between 2,500 and 4,000 Kurdish villages.


    So where are the Kurdish flags on caring people’s social-media feeds? Why doesn’t Sky News have pained-looking reporters in Iraqi Kurdistan talking to families who have been displaced by the Turkish bombardment? Why haven’t tens of thousands of Brits taken to the streets to register their fury with Turkey, as they have done with Israel following its latest conflict with Hamas in Gaza?

    The woke set’s myopic loathing for Israel really is extraordinary. We are so used to it now that we take it as normal. But it isn’t normal. There are military tensions and conflicts around the world that are causing great suffering — in Kurdistan, Yemen, Xinjiang — yet none of them triggers the rage reflex in virtuous Westerners anywhere near as much as Israel’s actions do.

    Saudi Arabia can bomb a school bus and kill 40 children, as part of its brutal war in Yemen, and most Western campaigners don’t lose a wink of sleep. But Israel just has to start wheeling its military aircraft out of the hangar and they’re up at the crack of dawn on a Saturday, dusting down their Palestinian flags, putting the finishing touches to their ‘Israel is Evil’ placards, and taking to the streets in their tens of thousands to condemn this most wicked, genocidal, apartheid state.

    On the rare occasion they do try to justify their feverish obsession with Israel, it just doesn’t add up. The Israel-Palestine conflict has been going on for decades and it’s really tragic, they say. And Israel is supported by our governments, so we have a responsibility to act, they insist. What’s more, Israel occupies Palestinian land and that just has to be challenged, they argue.

    But all of these things can be said about Turkey versus Kurdistan. It’s a very old conflict. Turkey is a Western ally; it’s a member of Nato for heaven’s sake. And Turkey occupies what many, many people consider to be Kurdish land. So, again, answer this question: why does Israel offend you more than Turkey does?

    To be clear, I am not comparing Israel to Turkey. Israel, unlike Turkey, faces an existential threat. It is surrounded by hostility. Hamas is an extremist Islamist movement whose founding charter was full of anti-Semitism. Hamas’s aim is less to build an independent nation state than to punish the Jews. It is currently firing hundreds of missiles directly into Israel.

    Whatever one might think of the PKK, it isn’t doing any of these things right now. And yet Israel is loathed for defending itself from missiles fired by an anti-Jewish terrorist organisation, while Turkey is ignored despite continuing its long, ugly war with Kurdish forces.

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    It seems to me that, increasingly, there is nothing very rational or normal about the hatred for Israel that sporadically sweeps the West. Rather, Israel has become a whipping boy for the elites, a nation that has cynically been turned into the embodiment of evil by virtue-signalling Westerners in desperate need for an outlet for their rage and pontification.

    If there is another, more convincing explanation for today’s furious anti-Israel sentiment I’d love to hear it. But until one is forthcoming, the rest of us will be justified in wondering if perhaps an old, dark hatred, whether wittingly or unwittingly, underpins the manic loathing of Israel.


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    What’s the real reason so many people hate Israel?

    Because I don't like jews and I'd like to see them all die. Fuck them and fuck you too Tom.
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    Look at Tom being all brave and shit.
    Don't be afraid to see what you see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
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    Well have you? No of course not! Turkey is run by an odious monster but would you ever see the Left denounce Erdogan like they have Netanyahu? Oh they started on about Trump supposedly abandoning the Kurds but that soon stopped once SloJo gained power.
    What ya talking about? They came down on Erdogan pretty hard. Even failed a coup right in his face. They did it for ransacking an american protest rally. Note, half the internet changed the dates around in the ransacked protest to make it look like it happened after and not before the coup, AND under trumps watch and not under obama. Erdogon enjoyed diplomatic immunity at the time. It was 2016, not 2017. Half the articles you find on it say 2017 not 2016. There's a conspiracy yaknow.

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    The problem with history books, there's no guarantee the history books were written objectively. Even subjectivist shit bibles are more dependable than infotainment outlets.

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    Most Israelis are unaware of the reason underlying the extreme brazenness of Hamas, which is spearheading rocket attacks taking a toll on our lives like never before. The reason is that the leaders of this terror organization know that Israel under Benjamin Netanyahu isn’t only reluctant to end Hamas’ hold in the Gaza Strip, it wants to preserve it.

    How Israel can win and Hamas can’t lose: LISTEN to Amos Harel and Muhammed Shehada


    Ever since Netanyahu came to power in 2009, he signed “an unwritten pact with Hamas,” in the words of Haim Ramon, a former deputy prime minister and justice minister. The deal was designed to thwart the Palestinian Authority and its leader, perpetuating the rift between Hamas in Gaza and the PA in the West Bank in order to weaken President Mahmoud Abbas and maintain the diplomatic freeze, based on the claim that the PA doesn’t represent all Palestinians.


    Netanyahu stuck to this stance during the November 2012 air offensive and the 2014 Gaza war, during which Hamas was offered a cease-fire no less than 10 times. Moreover, since 2012, Netanyahu has let Qatar transfer $1 billion to Gaza, at least half of which has gone to Hamas, including its military wing.


    For Netanyahu, there is reason to keeping Israel’s citizens hostage to Hamas: so that the PA doesn’t return to rule Gaza. This will ensure that the “disastrous” diplomatic process doesn’t resume.


    In his Hebrew-language book “Against the Wind,” Haim Ramon provides fascinating evidence that supports his claim about this unwritten pact between Netanyahu and Hamas. Netanyahu’s motives are related to his commitment to the idea of an undivided Land of Israel and his striving to prevent circumstances that would allow a Palestinian state to be established.


    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pre...amas-1.9814181
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    Quote Originally Posted by ]2epo]v[an View Post
    What ya talking about? They came down on Erdogan pretty hard. Even failed a coup right in his face. They did it for ransacking an american protest rally. Note, half the internet changed the dates around in the ransacked protest to make it look like it happened after and not before the coup, AND under trumps watch and not under obama. Erdogon enjoyed diplomatic immunity at the time. It was 2016, not 2017. Half the articles you find on it say 2017 not 2016. There's a conspiracy yaknow.
    I am talking about now, not five years ago!!

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    maggot's ' moral equivalence ' threads were boring years ago. What they are now is difficult to find adjectives for.
    " First they came for the journalists...
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    maggot;
    What’s the real reason so many people hate Israel?
    Clarify , maggot. Are you talking about Izrael as a state, Zionism as a doctrine , Neo-Zionism as fascism, Izraeli Jews as racists or Jews per se ?
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    nobody knows about Turkeys war on the PKK.
    Maybe Jack although I doubt he's had any patience enough to do any research

    My philosophy is "america first" -the world isnt our problem -gawd knows we got a ton of problems of our own to deal with. Israel can deal with theirs

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    I'm not sure that Americans hate Israel.
    I think that we're simply noticing that Israelis have evolved into a people no more likable than the Palestinians.

    We've been supporting them, but now, it's hard to see why.
    There's no question that the PLO grossed out America blowing up school busses full of children like the cretinous cowards that they are.
    Now we're having a hard time seeing how the Israelis are much different.

    We have things here at home on which we need to spend money.
    Foreign expenditures are a necessity, but only if there's a long term benefit to them.
    Let the Israelis and Palestinians cap each others asses to their hearts' content.
    We don't need either of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I'm not sure that Americans hate Israel.
    This week's banal contribution winner.
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    One can only guess what the fuck Moon just said.
    I guess that he doesn't have me on his ignore list.
    Probably should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    I am talking about now, not five years ago!!
    Five years is a fart in the wind.

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