Mob of Racist neo nazi Liberals attack Jewish diners at L.A. restaurant.

[AProudLefty]

Did Winston have private property rights?

No but he did find a secret place where he could fuck that pretty lady.

[Flash]

Socialism would mean the end of free enterprise, the confiscation of all businesses including restaurants, bars, hair salons, rental properties, commercial prperties, farms and ranches, ... and the forcing of all licensed professionals such as doctors and electricians to become employees of the State, ... but they can keep their toothbrushes.

That is a bit of a stretch. Socialism primarily refers to the production and distribution of goods and generally applies to public ownership of major industries. Even communist nations allow private ownership of small businesses. Marxist theory has often proved unsuccessful and in practice we see countries like China allowing more private ownership of a share of the state owned enterprises. With Raul gone even Cuba is opening up to more small business enterprises. China is encouraging doctors to open their own private clinics and hospitals.

I am just attempting an objective description of reality. We both know the state will never wither away and there are many variations among nations calling themselves communist.

[Bigdog]

That is a bit of a stretch. Socialism primarily refers to the production and distribution of goods and generally applies to public ownership of major industries. Even communist nations allow private ownership of small businesses. Marxist theory has often proved unsuccessful and in practice we see countries like China allowing more private ownership of a share of the state owned enterprises. With Raul gone even Cuba is opening up to more small business enterprises. China is encouraging doctors to open their own private clinics and hospitals.

I am just attempting an objective description of reality. We both know the state will never wither away and there are many variations among nations calling themselves communist.

As you know, neither China, Cuba nor North Korea have a free press.

And those changes you describe are capitalist, not socialist, so they are not a rebuttal of the definition of socialisms. "Distribution" includes retail outlets. And "public ownership", in reality, means State ownership.

The State did wither away in Somalia.

[Bigdog]

No

Right, and IngSoc stood for English Socialism, a one party rule of a totalitarian State.

[NiftyNiblick]

Right, and IngSoc stood for English Socialism, a one party rule of a totalitarian State.

What cannot be arbitrated by debate is wanting different things, 'dog.

When half the people want to live one way and half the people want to live another way,
neither "right" nor "wrong" is involved in the equation.

The choice is to stay together and live with half of the population in a state of perpetual rage,
or splitting up so that each side can have the nation that it wants.

You can regale us with uniformed definitions of government types,
but in the end, those don't really matter.

It's nice to use words correctly if we're going to use them,
but until we each admit that there are a whole lot of people on the other side
who find paradigms that we accept to be totally unacceptable,
we're not going to even approach anything resembling solutions.

The right is more at fault than the left in this regard.
Many small town conservatives don't get around very much
and can't imagine how many people live in the nation's major urban cultural centers.

They believe that they're some kind of "moral majority,"
but as the popular vote reveals in the national elections,
they're actually a minority.

[Flash]

As you know, neither China, Cuba nor North Korea have a free press.

And those changes you describe are capitalist, not socialist, so they are not a rebuttal of the definition of socialisms. "Distribution" includes retail outlets. And "public ownership", in reality, means State ownership.

The State did wither away in Somalia.

They were not meant to be a rebuttal but to show what nations do in practice is not necessarily consistent with the economic philosophy they pretend to follow. It also shows any increased success of their economies is due to following more of a market economy with more private ownership. Distribution may mean retail outlets but many of those retail outlets are not state owned. For example, Alibaba is a private, for profit, company. Competition among different state owned enterprises creates a type of market economy. Locally owned businesses are pushed to make more profit.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Many multi nationals will sell out to the highest gov't bidder.

NBA, Google, and Disney are huge supporters of Socialist China, the worst polluter and one of the worst human rights violators. And the Democrats luv this.

many governments are completely corporately controlled too.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Total nonsense.
Palestinians are one group.
Neo Nazis are another group.
Liberals are another group still.
And brain-dead mutants who find Rush Limbaugh and Martin Luther King to be interchangeable are yet another group altogether.
[Especially if they also equate socialism and monarchy.]

The internet should be nothing but search engines and commercial websites.
JPP proves that every single day.

spoken like a true fascist. you're a sickening anti-human trainwreck.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

They were not meant to be a rebuttal but to show what nations do in practice is not necessarily consistent with the economic philosophy they pretend to follow. It also shows any increased success of their economies is due to following more of a market economy with more private ownership. Distribution may mean retail outlets but many of those retail outlets are not state owned. For example, Alibaba is a private, for profit, company. Competition among different state owned enterprises creates a type of market economy. Locally owned businesses are pushed to make more profit.

you're truly fascist.

"locally owned businesses are pushed to make more profit." lol.

..... but mostly they die off quickly.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

"a type of market economy". lol. a highly fascist cartel pseudomarket.

[Flash]

you're truly fascist.

"locally owned businesses are pushed to make more profit." lol.

..... but mostly they die off quickly.

I just described reality. These have nothing to do with my views. Calling me a fascist is a silly assumption completely unrelated to anything I posted.

Doing some reading about China's economy would help your knowledge. Many of China's state-owned businesses are owned by local provinces and they push those businesses for more revenue.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

I just described reality. These have nothing to do with my views. Calling me a fascist is a silly assumption completely unrelated to anything I posted.

Doing some reading about China's economy would help your knowledge. Many of China's state-owned businesses are owned by local provinces and they push those businesses for more revenue.

fascism describes it well.

[Flash]

fascism describes it well.

communism is not fascism. you can't lump all authoritarian governments into one category.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

communism is not fascism. you can't lump all authoritarian governments into one category.

when it's so significantly involved with corporations and pro corporate agendas, yes it is.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

when biden calls ceos the fourth branch of government, that's fascism.

corporations are not people.