All Gaetz did was...

[Doc Dutch]

He really didn't care when it was Studds who should have faced the music for sex with a teen. There was frickin' applause when he returned to the Congress after his "censure" and Jarod never did care or say one word about it after I pointed it out to him back at p.com where we first started...

Agreed on the hypocrisy of Democrats regarding sex scandals, especially with minors. Now, the Republicans are no different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_c...ge_sex_scandal

The 1983 congressional page sex scandal was a political scandal involving members of the United States House of Representatives.

On July 14, 1983, the House Ethics Committee recommended that Rep. Dan Crane (R-IL) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-MA) be reprimanded for having engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages.[1] Though at least some of the sexual contact was not criminal, the committee felt "any sexual relationship between a member of the House of Representatives and a congressional page, or any sexual advance by a member to a page, represents a serious breach of duty." The Congressional Report found that in 1980, a year after entering office, Crane had sex four or five times at his suburban apartment with a female page and in 1973, the year he entered office, Studds invited a male page, who testified he felt no ill will towards Studds, to his Georgetown apartment and later on a two-week trip to Portugal. Both representatives admitted to the charges.[2]

On July 20, 1983, the House voted by a supermajority to revise the reprimand recommendation to censure, a more extreme measure. Censure had never previously been used in a case of sexual misconduct. The motion to censure the two House members was introduced by Rep. Robert H. Michel (R-IL), the Republican House Minority Leader. Aides later said that Michel proposed this bill to head off a move by Republicans to expel the two legislators.[3] Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA) was one of the leaders of the calls for the expulsion of Crane and Studds.[4]

At the beginning of the debate, Rep. Crane said, "I want the members to know I am sorry and that I apologize to one and all." When he was called to be censured, Rep. Crane stood facing the House. According to The New York Times, after the censure was read, Mr. Crane, escorted by a friend, quickly left the chamber.[3] However, an Associated Press article says that Crane walked back to his seat in the rear of the House and slumped in it.[5] Crane would go on to lose the 1984 election.[6]

Studds gave up his right to a public hearing reluctantly, saying that he objected to the conclusions of the Ethics Committee but wanted to protect the privacy of the pages involved[7] and that the affair was a "mutually voluntary, private relationship between adults."[8] At the same time, Studds did admit to "a very serious error in judgment," saying that he should not have had sex with a congressional subordinate, regardless of the individual's age or sex.[2] As his censure was read, Studds faced the Speaker who was reading the motion, with his back to the other House members.[3] Studds continued to be re-elected until his retirement in 1997;[9] he died in 2006.[10]

Shortly after this scandal, the House Page Board was established for the purpose of protecting pages.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_...tates_Congress
Studds was re-elected to the House six more times after the 1983 censure. He fought for many issues, including environmental and maritime issues, same-sex marriage, AIDS funding, and civil rights, particularly for gays and lesbians. Studds was an outspoken opponent of the Strategic Defense Initiative missile defense system, which he considered wasteful and ineffective, and he criticized the United States government's secretive support for the Contra fighters in Nicaragua.[12]

[Micawber]

1. I believe no one is above the law and that We, the People should hold our elected and appointed leaders to a higher standard. YMMV.

2. Okey dokey.

3. Unfortunately true.

4. Time will tell. I'm waiting for Ghislaine or Putin to cough up the 1990s-2000s videos of Pedo Island.


FWIW, do you think Epstein really committed suicide or do you think it was murder?

I can't say. I have not read the incident or autopsy report. He had motive to off himself and many prob would be better off with him not in this world.
So motive exists either way.

Since suicide is the less complex explanation I'll err that way. Strictly hypothetically speaking if I'm a rich dude and I think for some reason he is gong to compromise me
as a negotiation chip I might be tempted to crowdsource an execution by a trustee or guard on the dark web with all my similarly situated University Club brothers to eliminate the threat.

[Doc Dutch]

I can't say. I have not read the incident or autopsy report. He had motive to off himself and many prob would be better off with him not in this world.
So motive exists either way.

Since suicide is the less complex explanation I'll err that way. Strictly hypothetically speaking if I'm a rich dude and I think for some reason he is gong to compromise me
as a negotiation chip I might be tempted to crowdsource an execution by a trustee or guard on the dark web with all my similarly situated University Club brothers to eliminate the threat.

I don't believe in coincidences. Too many that night Epstein "hung himself".

Agreed that corrupting a guard with money would work. Cameras turned off, guards not making required rounds. Something stinks.

[Micawber]

Disagreed. For one thing he committed perjury. OTOH, like OJ and Trump, Bill hasn't been convicted of sex crimes despite a plethora of evidence he's guilty.

Committed perjury (with a sword of shame hanging over his noggin with young daughter and impeachment) I like including circumstances when I play Monday morning
character judge.

[Micawber]

I don't believe in coincidences. Too many that night Epstein "hung himself".

Agreed that corrupting a guard with money would work. Cameras turned off, guards not making required rounds. Something stinks.

Does it really stink that badly? He's dead instead of alive.

[Micawber]

I don't believe in coincidences. Too many that night Epstein "hung himself".

Agreed that corrupting a guard with money would work. Cameras turned off, guards not making required rounds. Something stinks.

So are those with access still being investigated, or did they wrap it around some fall-guy's neck with a bow and place all the evidence
in an oil drum and drop it in the Hudson? Gotta go to work. Have a good day.

[Doc Dutch]

Committed perjury (with a sword of shame hanging over his noggin with young daughter and impeachment) I like including circumstances when I play Monday morning
character judge.

Not just committed, but convicted. OJ committed murder, but he wasn't convicted. Both the Clintons are corrupt, but not convicted. Hillary deliberately obstructed justice by destroying evidence, but not convicted. Matt Gaetz paid for sex with underage females but not convicted. Trump committed sedition but not convicted.

In fact, not a single person on 1/6 has been convicted of sedition, treason, insurrection or anything else other than trespassing AFAIK.

If no conviction, does this mean none of those things happened? If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, did it make a sound?

[Doc Dutch]

Does it really stink that badly? He's dead instead of alive.

Yes. Better to have seen him tried, convicted, flip on Trump then sentenced to life in prison where another inmate kills him like the other Jeffrey.

[Doc Dutch]

So are those with access still being investigated, or did they wrap it around some fall-guy's neck with a bow and place all the evidence
in an oil drum and drop it in the Hudson? Gotta go to work. Have a good day.

Trump's DOJ wasn't anymore interested in the "suicide" than Obama's DOJ was in the Clinton tarmac visit and Hillary's obstruction of justice.

[Jarod]

He really didn't care when it was Studds who should have faced the music for sex with a teen. There was frickin' applause when he returned to the Congress after his "censure" and Jarod never did care or say one word about it after I pointed it out to him back at p.com where we first started...

1) I don’t come from the party of the morality police.
2) who is Studds?
3) prove your claim, because I doubt it’s true.

Or just slink away and go back into hiding.

[Jarod]

Agreed on the hypocrisy of Democrats regarding sex scandals, especially with minors. Now, the Republicans are no different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_c...ge_sex_scandal

The 1983 congressional page sex scandal was a political scandal involving members of the United States House of Representatives.

On July 14, 1983, the House Ethics Committee recommended that Rep. Dan Crane (R-IL) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-MA) be reprimanded for having engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages.[1] Though at least some of the sexual contact was not criminal, the committee felt "any sexual relationship between a member of the House of Representatives and a congressional page, or any sexual advance by a member to a page, represents a serious breach of duty." The Congressional Report found that in 1980, a year after entering office, Crane had sex four or five times at his suburban apartment with a female page and in 1973, the year he entered office, Studds invited a male page, who testified he felt no ill will towards Studds, to his Georgetown apartment and later on a two-week trip to Portugal. Both representatives admitted to the charges.[2]

On July 20, 1983, the House voted by a supermajority to revise the reprimand recommendation to censure, a more extreme measure. Censure had never previously been used in a case of sexual misconduct. The motion to censure the two House members was introduced by Rep. Robert H. Michel (R-IL), the Republican House Minority Leader. Aides later said that Michel proposed this bill to head off a move by Republicans to expel the two legislators.[3] Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA) was one of the leaders of the calls for the expulsion of Crane and Studds.[4]

At the beginning of the debate, Rep. Crane said, "I want the members to know I am sorry and that I apologize to one and all." When he was called to be censured, Rep. Crane stood facing the House. According to The New York Times, after the censure was read, Mr. Crane, escorted by a friend, quickly left the chamber.[3] However, an Associated Press article says that Crane walked back to his seat in the rear of the House and slumped in it.[5] Crane would go on to lose the 1984 election.[6]

Studds gave up his right to a public hearing reluctantly, saying that he objected to the conclusions of the Ethics Committee but wanted to protect the privacy of the pages involved[7] and that the affair was a "mutually voluntary, private relationship between adults."[8] At the same time, Studds did admit to "a very serious error in judgment," saying that he should not have had sex with a congressional subordinate, regardless of the individual's age or sex.[2] As his censure was read, Studds faced the Speaker who was reading the motion, with his back to the other House members.[3] Studds continued to be re-elected until his retirement in 1997;[9] he died in 2006.[10]

Shortly after this scandal, the House Page Board was established for the purpose of protecting pages.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_...tates_Congress
Studds was re-elected to the House six more times after the 1983 censure. He fought for many issues, including environmental and maritime issues, same-sex marriage, AIDS funding, and civil rights, particularly for gays and lesbians. Studds was an outspoken opponent of the Strategic Defense Initiative missile defense system, which he considered wasteful and ineffective, and he criticized the United States government's secretive support for the Contra fighters in Nicaragua.[12]

They absolutely should have been removed. If I knew of this I have forgotten. I certainly would have wanted both congressmen removed if the allegations are true.

I was 12 when this happened!

[Jarod]

He really didn't care when it was Studds who should have faced the music for sex with a teen. There was frickin' applause when he returned to the Congress after his "censure" and Jarod never did care or say one word about it after I pointed it out to him back at p.com where we first started...

Hey dumb shit, I just looked it up, I was 12.

Fuck you!

[Doc Dutch]

They absolutely should have been removed. If I knew of this I have forgotten. I certainly would have wanted both congressmen removed if the allegations are true.

I was 12 when this happened!

Double standards abound. They gave Bill Clinton a pass before his election, during his first term and during his second term.

OTOH, they hammered USAF General Ralston as payback even though, unlike Bill, Ralston was separated from his wife when he had an affair.

[Damocles]

Hey dumb shit, I just looked it up, I was 12.

Fuck you!

Yet I brought it up to you when you were posting with me on p.com, you weren't 12, and you didn't care. I surmised then it was because he was a Democrat and that regardless of the rape you would have voted for him.

And thanks for the offer but I am heterosexual and would not like a tryst.

[PostmodernProphet]

1) I don’t come from the party of the morality police.

lol......you ignored the last four years again.....