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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    ok, judeo-cuck, simp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    I'm against counties attacking each other so I can't be making the Iran argument. I'm also against nukes for the US or anybody else. The damage people can do to each other without nukes is bad enough. Let's stick to pitched battles and good old hand to hand combat, if we must fight.
    Unfortunately, as more intelligent people than myself have said, it's impossible to put the nuclear genie back in the bottle. We can only deal with the reality the knowledge exists.

    Odd how the knowledge of nuclear physics, be it for war or for peace, correlates to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

    It's the way of man; our greatest superpower is the ability to develop tech. Sometimes we develop tech more dangerous than we realize. Agent Orange. Thalidomide. Nuclear weapons. The goal for people should be to realize the dangers before it's too late and to take a reasonable course of action.
    Stripping Americans of their rights, regardless if inalienable or unenumerated, is against American ideals

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    ok, judeo-cuck, simp.

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    Take a number, son. Fill out the form and get in line.

    Stripping Americans of their rights, regardless if inalienable or unenumerated, is against American ideals

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Did you do a 180 on your positions or what? I recall when we discussed Israel on AOL and you suggested I read a book about the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, Operation Cyanide. You also criticized Israel hiding its nukes at Dimona, and the imprisonment of Mordechai Vanunu for revealing that info. What changed?
    Yes I still have that book about Liberty and firmly believe it was a deliberate attack. I have never understood why Israel feels the need to keep their nuclear arsenal a secret even now and the imprisonment of Vanunu was crazy and served little purpose.

    However the world has moved on, even the Arab world, they are tired and weary of Hamas as well. When we were discussing all of that way back, Hamas didn't really exist and Arafat was still alive. You throw your hands up in horror over Netanyahu, yet Olmert didn't succeed either even though he gave Abbas pretty much everything he wanted. He told him that if he didn't sign it might be generations before another opportunity would present itself and it's been almost a generation so far.

    https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrae...et-conference/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Yes I still have that book about Liberty and firmly believe it was a deliberate attack. I have never understood why Israel feels the need to keep their nuclear arsenal a secret even now and the imprisonment of Vanunu was crazy and served little purpose.

    However the world has moved on, even the Arab world, they are tired and weary of Hamas as well. When we were discussing all of that way back, Hamas didn't really exist and Arafat was still alive. You throw your hands up in horror over Netanyahu, yet Olmert didn't succeed either even though he gave Abbas pretty much everything he wanted. He told him that if he didn't sign it might be generations before another opportunity would present itself and it's been almost a generation so far.

    https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrae...et-conference/
    is Abbas still around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    is Abbas still around?
    Yes very much so, he wanted to hold new elections after 15 years whilst the odds looked favourable for him until new candidates came along to potentially quuer the pitch

    Palestinian Vote Delayed, Prolonging Split for West Bank and Gaza

    President Mahmoud Abbas said elections could not take place unless Israel allowed voting in East Jerusalem. But privately, he also fears a poor result for his party, officials said.

    Published April 29, 2021 Updated May 10, 2021

    JERUSALEM — When the Palestinian Authority called in January for parliamentary elections, many Palestinians hoped the vote — the first in the occupied territories since 2006 — would revive Palestinian discourse, re-energize the independence movement and end a 14-year division between Palestinian leaders in the occupied West Bank and Gaza. But those hopes were dashed Thursday night when President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority announced that the vote, scheduled for May 22, would be delayed indefinitely.

    The news compounded an unsettled political dynamic across the occupied territories and the state of Israel, where both Israeli and Palestinian societies remain racked by political stalemate and division, where tensions are rising in Jerusalem and Gaza, and a return to peace negotiations appears less likely than ever.

    The official reason for the postponement was the refusal by the Israeli government to confirm that it would allow voting in East Jerusalem, which was annexed by Israel after the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. East Jerusalem is mainly populated by Palestinians who participate in elections for the Palestinian Authority, a semi-autonomous institution that exerts partial jurisdiction in other parts of the occupied territories.

    “We decided to postpone the legislative elections until guaranteeing that Jerusalem and its people take part,” said Mr. Abbas in a speech in Ramallah. “We don’t give up Jerusalem.” But the postponement also served another purpose: Mr. Abbas was concerned that if the election went ahead, his party, Fatah, might lose ground to two Fatah splinter groups, according to a Palestinian official and a Western diplomat briefed by the Palestinian leadership.

    Israeli officials, meanwhile, were concerned that the elections would lead to a greater role in the Palestinian leadership for Hamas, the militant Islamist group that wrested control of Gaza from Mr. Abbas in 2007, and which has never recognized Israel.

    “It is a big mistake to go to these elections,” said Kamil Abu Rokon, an Israeli general who oversaw administrative aspects of the occupation until earlier this month.

    Analysts also said the Israeli leaders were happy to keep their Palestinian counterparts divided, since it undermines the Palestinians’ ability to pursue a final status agreement with Israel as a unified bloc.

    Hamas condemned Mr. Abbas’s decision, describing it as a “coup” that lacked popular support. The development comes amid a volatile period across the West Bank, Gaza and the state of Israel. Israeli politics is also at an impasse, following an election in March — Israel’s fourth in two years — in which both Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his opponents failed to win a workable majority.

    In Jerusalem, the situation is tense, following a march last week by far-right Jewish supremacists who chanted “Death to Arabs,” attacks on both Palestinians and Jews, and the provocative Israeli decision, now rescinded, to close a central plaza in East Jerusalem where Palestinians enjoy gathering during the ongoing month of Ramadan.

    That unrest broke months of relative calm in Gaza, where militants fired dozens of rockets toward Israel last weekend to protest the situation in Jerusalem.
    The city is at the heart of the pretext provided by Mr. Abbas to postpone elections. Under the interim agreements signed in the 1990s between Israeli and Palestinian leaders known as the Oslo Accords, the Israeli government is obliged to allow Palestinian elections in East Jerusalem.

    But Israel has neither blocked the election nor agreed to allow it. The Israeli government has not made a decision either way, an Israeli official confirmed, despite requests by the Palestinian leadership. The Israeli police have detained several representatives of Palestinian parties who attempted to campaign in the city.

    Palestinian officials said that to proceed with an election without East Jerusalem would be tantamount to giving up Palestinian claims on the city and its sacred Islamic sites, including the Aqsa mosque.

    “It’s not that we are trying to avoid elections,” said Ziad Abu Amr, deputy prime minister of the Palestinian Authority, and an adviser to Mr. Abbas. “Jerusalem cannot be forsaken or abandoned. You can’t surrender to the fait accompli that Israel tries to impose on Jerusalem.”

    But insiders said Mr. Abbas had an ulterior motive for postponement. Long the engine of the Palestinian national movement, Mr. Abbas’s party, Fatah, now faces unprecedented challenges, not only from its longtime rival Hamas but also from ex-Fatah grandees whose campaigns chipped away at support for their former party.

    Were elections to go ahead, Fatah’s supporters would be forced to choose among three Fatah-linked factions — the official party; a splinter group led by an exiled former security chief, Muhammad Dahlan; and a second breakaway faction, headed by Nasser al-Kidwa, a former envoy to the United Nations, and Marwan Barghouti, a popular militant serving multiple life sentences in an Israeli prison for five counts of murder.

    In the most recent poll, Mr. Abbas’s faction still came out on top, with about a quarter of the vote. But it was projected to fall far short of an overall majority because nearly as many voters said they would vote for the rival Fatah groups. Hamas polled under nine percent. No Palestinian official would admit publicly this week that these factors affected Mr. Abbas’s thinking. But speaking on the condition of anonymity, a Palestinian official and a Western diplomat briefed by the Palestinians said that he feared losing influence to his former allies.

    And after Mr. Kidwa and Mr. Barghouti broke with Mr. Abbas in March, a senior Palestinian official said in an interview with The New York Times that the move put the elections at risk because it risked undermining Fatah.

    “Fatah’s situation needs to be strong, it needs to lead the Palestine Liberation Organization and the national project,” said Wassel Abu Yousef, a member of the executive committee of the P.L.O., the official representative of the Palestinian people. “If there is harm to the national project, there will be heavy and powerful voices that will be in favor of postponing the elections.”

    Some Palestinians met the postponement with a shrug. Many felt the elections would not have occurred in a particularly free environment, while some always suspected they would be canceled. Others felt voting for a Palestinian Parliament would have little effect on the biggest problem in their lives: the Israeli occupation.

    Elections suggest “there is a sovereign entity in which people are participating in a democratic process,” said Yara Hawari, a senior analyst at Al Shabaka, a Palestinian research group. “But you can’t have a full democracy under occupation.”

    Many Palestinians were nevertheless furious at being deprived of a rare chance to choose their representatives. Crowds of protesters, many of whom were too young to vote in the last Palestinian elections, demonstrated against the decision in both the West Bank and Gaza. “The people demand the ballot box,” they chanted.

    Muhammad Shehada, a 28-year-old unemployed civil engineer from Gaza City, called the decision “a big disappointment.” The situation in Jerusalem was no reason to cancel the elections, he said: “The occupation controls Jerusalem, whether the elections are held or not.”

    The lack of elections also raises the specter of intra-Palestinian violence, since different factions will now have no peaceful forum in which to air their grievances and express their frustrations, said Mkhaimar Abusada, a political scientist at Al Azhar University in Gaza City.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/29/w...e-delayed.html
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    Netanyahu is preventing Palestinian elections which he knows will result in a Hamas landslide.
    In answering Jerusalem's call for help against the tear gas, stun grenades, rubber bullets and sewage sprays of the pseudo-Jewish fascists Hamas has become the champion of Islam par excellence throughout the Muslim world- and much of the non-Muslim world too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Netanyahu is preventing Palestinian elections which he knows will result in a Hamas landslide.
    In answering Jerusalem's call for help against the tear gas, stun grenades, rubber bullets and sewage sprays of the pseudo-Jewish fascists Hamas has become the champion of Islam par excellence throughout the Muslim world- and much of the non-Muslim world too.
    Netanyahu is so weak that he cant even form a government.

    Would you care to make another attempt to connect with reality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Netanyahu is preventing Palestinian elections which he knows will result in a Hamas landslide.
    In answering Jerusalem's call for help against the tear gas, stun grenades, rubber bullets and sewage sprays of the pseudo-Jewish fascists Hamas has become the champion of Islam par excellence throughout the Muslim world- and much of the non-Muslim world too.
    Total bullshit, and you damn well know it as well. People really need to know that all you ever propagate is pure propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Total bullshit, and you damn well know it as well. People really need to know that all you ever propagate is pure propaganda.
    Being able to spot the liars is indeed a critical life skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Salon magazine just published this piece on the fighting between Hamas and Israel:


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgdhp

    The last paragraph of the article, the body of which is mostly a recitation of history mixed with some cherry picking, is telling of the whole:



    The sentence I highlighted is the most declarative of the piece. Breaking this down one should ask, Why are the "...Palestinians powerless and friendless, even in the Arab world?"

    The answer is, from history, because the Palestinians are a bunch of warmongering thugs and criminals who can't even get their act together enough to stop internal warfare between what amounts to street gangs. Jordan threw them out of that country because they tried to stage a revolution and overthrow the government.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

    Egypt got tired of their constant criminal terrorist behavior in their country and closed their border with Gaza as a result.
    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...running%20Gaza.

    Syria kicked them out for similar reasons.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Lebanon

    The roughly half million Palestinian refugees in Lebanon also played a leading role in destabilizing that country.

    Yet, it is somehow Israel's fault and a war crime that their vastly superior military stomps on Hamas after Hamas launches hundreds, well over a thousand, rockets at Israel from Gaza and now from allied groups in Lebanon. Hamas wanted a war. They got a war. Indiscriminate rocket fire intended to kill anyone in Israel is usually considered a war crime. Using civilians as human shields is too. That's what Hamas practices here.
    That Israel responds to that with military force is just too freakin' bad for the Palestinians. They should learn to pick their enemies better along with stop being street gangs. Maybe if they tried to improve their own lot rather than tear down someone else's they wouldn't be universally reviled in the Middle East like they are.

    The lesson for the US should be that radical Leftist groups like Antifa and BLM are doing the same sort of shit here to society and are no better liked for it. Sure, the radical Left embraces their thuggery but the rest of society at some point will become irked enough to stomp the lot of them into the ground.
    The reason this is happening now is because israel was working a technicality in international law. They wanted control over Gaza but didn't want to occupy Gaza. Fuck israel.
    Why Trump? Because Fuck You that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Being able to spot the liars is indeed a critical life skill.
    Likw shooting in a barrel here.

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    Salon stopped mattering, what was it, 15 years ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Likw shooting in a barrel here.
    I Know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    I Know.
    You're both idiots, and Tom is a pussy to boot.
    Why Trump? Because Fuck You that's why.

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