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    Default Salon magazine says Israel committing war crimes in latest round of fighting.

    Salon magazine just published this piece on the fighting between Hamas and Israel:

    Israel's big lie: This isn't self defense — it's a war crime, aided and abetted by the U.S.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgdhp

    The last paragraph of the article, the body of which is mostly a recitation of history mixed with some cherry picking, is telling of the whole:

    There are many parallels between the deformities that grip Israel and the deformities that grip the United States. The two countries are moving at warp speed towards a 21st-century fascism, cloaked in religious language, which will revoke what remains of our civil liberties and snuff out our anemic democracies. The failure of the United States to stand up for the rule of law, to demand that the Palestinians, powerless and friendless, even in the Arab world, be granted basic human rights mirrors the abandonment of the vulnerable within our own society. We are headed, I fear, down the road Israel is heading down. It will be devastating for the Palestinians. It will be devastating for us. And all resistance, as the Palestinians courageously show us, will only come from the street.
    The sentence I highlighted is the most declarative of the piece. Breaking this down one should ask, Why are the "...Palestinians powerless and friendless, even in the Arab world?"

    The answer is, from history, because the Palestinians are a bunch of warmongering thugs and criminals who can't even get their act together enough to stop internal warfare between what amounts to street gangs. Jordan threw them out of that country because they tried to stage a revolution and overthrow the government.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

    Egypt got tired of their constant criminal terrorist behavior in their country and closed their border with Gaza as a result.
    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...running%20Gaza.

    Syria kicked them out for similar reasons.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Lebanon

    The roughly half million Palestinian refugees in Lebanon also played a leading role in destabilizing that country.

    Yet, it is somehow Israel's fault and a war crime that their vastly superior military stomps on Hamas after Hamas launches hundreds, well over a thousand, rockets at Israel from Gaza and now from allied groups in Lebanon. Hamas wanted a war. They got a war. Indiscriminate rocket fire intended to kill anyone in Israel is usually considered a war crime. Using civilians as human shields is too. That's what Hamas practices here.
    That Israel responds to that with military force is just too freakin' bad for the Palestinians. They should learn to pick their enemies better along with stop being street gangs. Maybe if they tried to improve their own lot rather than tear down someone else's they wouldn't be universally reviled in the Middle East like they are.

    The lesson for the US should be that radical Leftist groups like Antifa and BLM are doing the same sort of shit here to society and are no better liked for it. Sure, the radical Left embraces their thuggery but the rest of society at some point will become irked enough to stomp the lot of them into the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    MORE LYING ANTI-SEMITISM FROM THA ALWAYS RACIST LEFT...WHO IGNORE THE FACT THAT IS WAS THE COCKROACHES OF GAZA WHO STARTED FIRING MISSILES INTO ISRAEL....NOT VICE VERSA...
    Israeli settlements on the West Bank are illegal and violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. Case closed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Israeli settlements on the West Bank are illegal and violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. Case closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
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    Take it up with these people, leggiecrite. I'm just the messenger.

    "The United Nations General Assembly, the United Nations Security Council and the International Court of Justice have all said that Israeli settlements on the West Bank violate the Fourth Geneva Convention.

    Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan in the 1967 war and has occupied the territory ever since. The Fourth Geneva Convention, ratified by 192 nations in the aftermath of World War II, says that an occupying power “shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” The statute that established the International Criminal Court in 1998 classifies such transfers as war crimes, as well as any destruction or appropriation of property not justified by military necessity."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/18/w...ttlements.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    "The United Nations General Assembly, the United Nations Security Council and the International Court of Justice have all said that Israeli settlements on the West Bank violate the Fourth Geneva Convention.


    So what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Israeli settlements on the West Bank are illegal and violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. Case closed.
    None of which justifies Hamas firing rockets into Israeli neighborhoods striving to kill Jews and Muslims alike.

    Fortunately, the Israeli Iron Dome anti-missile system minimized friendly casualties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    None of which justifies Hamas firing rockets into Israeli neighborhoods striving to kill Jews and Muslims alike.

    Fortunately, the Israeli Iron Dome anti-missile system minimized friendly casualties.
    Does the taking of land ever justify the use of military force? I think we would agree yes.
    Until the US had smart tech weapons it had dumb tech too and used it. Japan tried to take land in WWII.
    I must infer you believe the US was not justified in firebombing Tokyo and dropping nukes on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
    Those weapons weren't very good combatant discriminators either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Does the taking of land ever justify the use of military force? I think we would agree yes.
    Until the US had smart tech weapons it had dumb tech too and used it. Japan tried to take land in WWII.
    I must infer you believe the US was not justified in firebombing Tokyo and dropping nukes on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
    Those weapons weren't very good combatant discriminators either.
    It depends. Was the US justified in taking Arizona, New Mexico and California from Mexico?

    The Brits Ireland from the Irish? Any of the Eurotrash countries their colonies in South America and Africa?

    Why do you think the Jews should be treated differently than Europeans or American Christians?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Does the taking of land ever justify the use of military force? I think we would agree yes.
    So u would support Mexicans firing 4000 rockets into El Paso starting tomorrow?

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    All over the world people are rejecting lies and prosemitic spiel such as this, marching in the streets for Palestine and threatening their politicians with ejection if they don't stop swapping morals for shekels.
    The winds are changing. The Izraeli fascists have overplayed their hand. The sympathy for them has gone. Now it's the Palestinians who have the sympathy of a world sick of fascist Jews and their gutless American and British support.
    It has been coming for some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    All over the world people are rejecting lies and prosemitic spiel such as this, marching in the streets for Palestine and threatening their politicians with ejection if they don't stop swapping morals for shekels.
    The winds are changing. The Izraeli fascists have overplayed their hand. The sympathy for them has gone. Now it's the Palestinians who have the sympathy of a world sick of fascist Jews and their gutless American and British support.
    It has been coming for some time.


    EU Leaders Condemn Hamas Attacks

    EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen wrote on Twitter that she "condemns arbitrary attacks by Hamas against Israel." Josep Borrell, the EU's High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, said Thursday he had "confirmed EU support for Israel's security and condemned Hamas' arbitrary firing of rockets" in a conversation with Israeli Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi. French President Emmanuel Macron also expressed sympathy with the victims of attacks by Hamas and other terrorist groups in talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Macron has said Israel had the right to defend itself.

    https://norwaytoday.info/news/eu-lea...hamas-attacks/

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    All over the world people are rejecting lies and prosemitic spiel such as this, marching in the streets for Palestine and threatening their politicians with ejection if they don't stop swapping morals for shekels.
    The winds are changing. The Izraeli fascists have overplayed their hand. The sympathy for them has gone. Now it's the Palestinians who have the sympathy of a world sick of fascist Jews and their gutless American and British support.
    It has been coming for some time.
    The violence is spiking to new levels at a time when the U.S. is conducting an arms sale to Israel worth some $735 million — news first reported Monday by The Washington Post.

    The deal centers on Joint Direct Attack Munition kits, which according to the U.S. Navy, add GPS guidance and other features to standard bombs to convert them into "precision-guided 'smart' munitions."

    Details about the sale were confirmed to NPR by the office of Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, the ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

    "This was informally cleared in April and we received formal notice on May 5," said Leslie Shedd, spokesperson for Republicans on the House committee. "There is a 15-day review process — which ends on the 20th. The ranking member supports this sale."

    "We'll do whatever it takes to restore order and quiet and the security of our people and deterrence," Netanyahu said Sunday on CBS. "We're trying to degrade Hamas' terrorist abilities and to degrade their will to do this again. So it'll take some time. I hope it won't take long, but it's not immediate."
    https://www.npr.org/2021/05/17/99748...-enters-week-2

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    The violence is spiking to new levels at a time when the U.S. is conducting an arms sale to Israel worth some $735 million — news first reported Monday by The Washington Post.

    The deal centers on Joint Direct Attack Munition kits, which according to the U.S. Navy, add GPS guidance and other features to standard bombs to convert them into "precision-guided 'smart' munitions."

    Details about the sale were confirmed to NPR by the office of Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, the ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

    "This was informally cleared in April and we received formal notice on May 5," said Leslie Shedd, spokesperson for Republicans on the House committee. "There is a 15-day review process — which ends on the 20th. The ranking member supports this sale."

    "We'll do whatever it takes to restore order and quiet and the security of our people and deterrence," Netanyahu said Sunday on CBS. "We're trying to degrade Hamas' terrorist abilities and to degrade their will to do this again. So it'll take some time. I hope it won't take long, but it's not immediate."
    https://www.npr.org/2021/05/17/99748...-enters-week-2
    And, if the US doesn't sell them to Israel, the Israelis will just make the kits themselves...

    https://www.iai.co.il/p/griffin-iii

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