Small size of most U.S. police departments complicates reform

[Doc Dutch]

That’s not a solution. If not forced, nothing changes.

The problem with force is backlash. Sure, you can beat people into submission, but they'll always hate you for it.

Better, IMO, is positive reinforcement through good leadership. That requires a collective desire for good leaders. Instead, what we are seeing are people electing whomever they think can force others to do whatever 50.0001% of the people want.

That is not a good model in either the short term or the long term.

[blackascoal]

Not really. US can hold up highway funds to states not complying to federal standards. It's not all or nothing.

It’s either a real solution of it isn’t. The size, whether small or gigantic, cannot be an impediment.

[BidenPresident]

It’s either a real solution of it isn’t. The size, whether small or gigantic, cannot be an impediment.

I think you missed my point. I never said the US should NOT use law to enforce standards. I think it has to be a set of solutions.

[blackascoal]

The problem with force is backlash. Sure, you can beat people into submission, but they'll always hate you for it.

Better, IMO, is positive reinforcement through good leadership. That requires a collective desire for good leaders. Instead, what we are seeing are people electing whomever they think can force others to do whatever 50.0001% of the people want.

That is not a good model in either the short term or the long term.

400 years of waiting on ‘good leadership’ is a bad joke, not a solution.

How about replicating best practices of successful departments? What a novel idea.

[blackascoal]

I think you missed my point. I never said the US should NOT use law to enforce standards. I think it has to be a set of solutions.

Agreed.

[Into the Night]

Experts say that while smaller departments have their benefits, including being able to adapt to their communities and hire officers with local ties, these agencies also are typically able to avoid the accountability being sought as part of the national movement to restructure and improve policing. These departments’ often limited resources and the decentralized structure of American law enforcement complicate efforts to mandate widespread training and policy changes, experts say.

“It’s unlike any other country,” Wexler said. “In places like the United Kingdom, you have a Home Office, you have standards. In Germany or Israel … they have a national police. Our policing is completely fragmented, decentralized, with no national standards.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...t-experts-say/

Which is not a problem. Each community controls it's own police department...the way it should be.

[Into the Night]

No. But the US can establish national standards. Perhaps not forced on departments, but used as a standard.

Already done.

[BidenPresident]

Which is not a problem. Each community controls it's own police department...the way it should be.

Not if they violate civil rights. Why the DOJ is prepared to prosecute Chauvin for civil rights violations.

[Into the Night]

/shrugs.....most US police forces don't need reform.......all the racist killings have occurred in large blue cities......

What racist killings?

[BidenPresident]

Already done.

you lie so much it's boring

[PostmodernProphet]

you lie so much it's boring

are you saying there aren't laws against discrimination......

[BidenPresident]

are you saying there aren't laws against discrimination......

no

[PostmodernProphet]

How many people are killed every year by the police? What is the breakdown by gender, race, economics, state, etc?

I've looked for a link to the data and there is no Federal or collective group of states and their PDs compiling the data.

How can we correct problems if we don't know the extent of the problem?

a person shot and killed by a policeman isn't necessarily a problem.......in fact, in the majority of situations it is the solution........

[Doc Dutch]

400 years of waiting on ‘good leadership’ is a bad joke, not a solution.

How about replicating best practices of successful departments? What a novel idea.

Waiting is for the weak. The problem is too many people just want to force others to their bidding. That's what the Insurrection was about and that's what this thread is about.

Best practices is a good idea, but as this thread points out, no one know what other departments are doing unless it's something bad. There is scant data on the subject.

[NiftyNiblick]

Oom is back.

He thinks that he's special for having been on my ignore list with thirty-one other JPP posters.
When I released it all at once, jokingly posting a new thread to announce the fact as if it were breaking news, he just happened to be released as well.

Inevitably, I'll start a new ignore list at some time or other.
Oom won't necessarily make it this time, however.

Unlike full-time trumpanzees,
Oom sometimes, not often, rises all the way up to medium hanging fruit level
as a target to cuff around.