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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Like Daszak, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House’s medical adviser, has also thrown cold water on the lab-leak theory, even though many scientists and government officials have now begun to acknowledge its plausibility. But keep in mind: as head of the NIH’s Allergy and Infectious Diseases department, Fauci was one of the government officials responsible for securing federal grants for Wuhan’s coronavirus research in the first place.

    He is a more interested party than most people realize.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...mpression=true
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    Indeed he is, and not a lot of people are aware of that because the media is dutifully doing their duty as running dogs for democrats—and, the CCP.

    At least it certainly appears that way. At any rate, they have worked hard on the fake narrative that the lab origin theory is a conspiracy theory and that the CCP virus had a natural origin.

    The actual fact is both theories lack definitive evidence and the question of how the virus originated is wide open; and if anything, the lab theory has stronger circumstantial evidence for it. But since Fauci could be implicated if the lab theory proved to be true—well, let’s just not go there, says the media. So natural origin it is.

    Leaving the question of origin aside, wtf with funding gain of function research in a communist country with US tax dollars? I mean, what could possibly go wrong? Who’s idea was this? Fauci’s?

    You’d think by now Congress would have Fauci and other heads of the medical bureaucracy appear before a committee to answer some questions about this. I wish it were hard to believe, but it’s plausible many of them are unaware of it.

    And the Daszak character is one of the lead proponents to the natural origin theory but he also heads an organization that was funding GOF research in Wuhan. I think that’s called a conflict of interest so his opinion should be taken with a hefty grain of salt.
    Lemme guess...61 people are on board with this nonsense?
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Just to be clear, you don’t think it matters that US taxpayers may have helped to fund a global pandemic?
    To be clear...we had numerous scientists in China to aid in just this type of thing. trump did away with them.

    The trump virus worked exactly as he planned.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by /MSG/ View Post
    Well it's a little late to change that now ain't it?
    Well I was telling people that back in 2011 when I first went to Saigon and witnessed street demonstrations over the Spratly Islands.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...161#post910161
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    You have been profoundly lied to....if power is willing to lie like this then know this.....Power feels free to lie to you about everything.
    Tell the truth and then let the chips fall where they may.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Lemme guess...61 people are on board with this nonsense?
    No nonsense, just two competing theories for the origin of the CCP Virus.

    One of them could ‘use a little help’. I’ll assume you have nothing to offer, as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by /MSG/ View Post
    Dunno why this got closed? I probably fat fingered something.
    Thought I said something wrong. I didn’t even question the election results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    He’s right though, I’d be mortified, but what good would it do?
    Outrage leads to political change.

    Stop funding GOF research. Press for an international ban on it. And just hell no, on funding GOF research in China.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    I am 100 percent sure this fact free theory has 4 x monster truck traction in the heartland.

    The funny is, if China set free a novel disease, I want to know and hold them accountable as much or more than these fact void Trumplings.
    So if it becomes known that there is actual evidence, (not only will intelligent liberals be the ones to have pursued it and figure it out),
    but it will pull the rug out from under the retard rightees who think for inexplicable reasons we don't want to believe that.

    Hey Trumfuckst, we follow E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E and science.

    Like what does the alt right stay up at night discussing, what the left doesn't want you to know!!!!! Pearls clutched!!!!!!

    You stupid fucking hicks. I am going to enjoy seared scallops this evening and not rooting for certain facts to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Hey Trumfuckst, we follow E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E and science.
    No. Thats only what you like to tell yourself. You just follow the nearest dope dealer. You're just over the hill bacha bazis. Dont fool yourself, you're not fooling anyone else.

    You'll disregard any inconvenient fact or evidence that gets between you and dope.
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    I know that a lot of people here aren't fans of science - but the COVID-19 virus has been fully mapped. This means we understand its structure down to the molecular level.

    Existing technology is capable of distinguishing natural viruses from artificial viruses and artificially-modified viruses. When a virus is manipulated or created, it leaves tell-tale markers that do not exist in naturally occurring viruses. A collaborative study was conducted by researchers in the U.S., U.K., and Australia (with no ties to the Chinese government) - specifically looking through the COVID-19 structure for molecular indicators suggesting that COVID-19 was either artificially created - or modified.

    You can read an article about the study here, or if you have the chops, you can read the actual study here.

    To quote from the study's introduction: "Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus." There was no reservation, o

    There are a few possibilities here.

    1) The researchers who performed this study are wrong. Possible; but unlikely. The study was published over a year ago - long enough for other qualified researchers to publish negative critiques. This has not happened.

    2) China's knowledge of biotechnology is hands-down the most advanced on earth. Creating or modifying a virus while successfully hiding all indications of manipulation would require at least 30-50 years of advances in the field, putting China FAR ahead of any other country. China has many skilled scientists. But I don't believe that they're decades ahead of the rest of the world.

    3) The study was correct. SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus. And instead of wasting resources trying to blame one country or another, we should be figuring out how humans can do a better job preparing for when the next pandemic emerges. And that's "when," not "if."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post

    Existing technology is capable of distinguishing natural viruses from artificial viruses and artificially-modified viruses. When a virus is manipulated or created, it leaves tell-tale markers that do not exist in naturally occurring viruses. A collaborative study was conducted by researchers in the U.S., U.K., and Australia (with no ties to the Chinese government) - specifically looking through the COVID-19 structure for molecular indicators suggesting that COVID-19 was either artificially created - or modified.
    we cant tell anymore about manipulation read this -the guy is the Science Writer for NYTime
    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...wing-the-Clues

    But newer methods, called “no-see-um” or “seamless” approaches, leave no defining marks. Nor do other methods for manipulating viruses such as serial passage, the repeated transfer of viruses from one culture of cells to another. If a virus has been manipulated, whether with a seamless method or by serial passage, there is no way of knowing that this is the case. Dr. Andersen and his colleagues were assuring their readers of something they could not know.

    The discussion part their letter begins, “It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus”. But wait, didn’t the lead say the virus had clearly not been manipulated? The authors’ degree of certainty seemed to slip several notches when it came to laying out their reasoning.

    The reason for the slippage is clear once the technical language has been penetrated. The two reasons the authors give for supposing manipulation to be improbable are decidedly inconclusive.

    First, they say that the spike protein of SARS2 binds very well to its target, the human ACE2 receptor, but does so in a different way from that which physical calculations suggest would be the best fit. Therefore the virus must have arisen by natural selection, not manipulation.

    If this argument seems hard to grasp, it’s because it’s so strained. The authors’ basic assumption, not spelt out, is that anyone trying to make a bat virus bind to human cells could do so in only one way. First they would calculate the strongest possible fit between the human ACE2 receptor and the spike protein with which the virus latches onto it. They would then design the spike protein accordingly (by selecting the right string of amino acid units that compose it). But since the SARS2 spike protein is not of this calculated best design, the Andersen paper says, therefore it can’t have been manipulated.

    But this ignores the way that virologists do in fact get spike proteins to bind to chosen targets, which is not by calculation but by splicing in spike protein genes from other viruses or by serial passage. With serial passage, each time the virus’s progeny are transferred to new cell cultures or animals, the more successful are selected until one emerges that makes a really tight bind to human cells. Natural selection has done all the heavy lifting. The Andersen paper’s speculation about designing a viral spike protein through calculation has no bearing on whether or not the virus was manipulated by one of the other two methods.

    The authors’ second argument against manipulation is even more contrived. Although most living things use DNA as their hereditary material, a number of viruses use RNA, DNA’s close chemical cousin. But RNA is difficult to manipulate, so researchers working on coronaviruses, which are RNA-based, will first convert the RNA genome to DNA. They manipulate the DNA version, whether by adding or altering genes, and then arrange for the manipulated DNA genome to be converted back into infectious RNA.


    Only a certain number of these DNA backbones have been described in the scientific literature. Anyone manipulating the SARS2 virus “would probably” have used one of these known backbones, the Andersen group writes, and since SARS2 is not derived from any of them, therefore it was not manipulated. But the argument is conspicuously inconclusive. DNA backbones are quite easy to make, so it’s obviously possible that SARS2 was manipulated using an unpublished DNA backbone.

    And that’s it. These are the two arguments made by the Andersen group in support of their declaration that the SARS2 virus was clearly not manipulated. And this conclusion, grounded in nothing but two inconclusive speculations, convinced the world’s press that SARS2 could not have escaped from a lab. A technical critique of the Andersen letter takes it down in harsher words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Outrage leads to political change.

    Stop funding GOF research. Press for an international ban on it. And just hell no, on funding GOF research in China.
    No it doesn't. This is like Vermin Supreme promising a pony in every garage, except Vermin knows what he's saying is retarded fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Like Daszak, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House’s medical adviser, has also thrown cold water on the lab-leak theory, even though many scientists and government officials have now begun to acknowledge its plausibility. But keep in mind: as head of the NIH’s Allergy and Infectious Diseases department, Fauci was one of the government officials responsible for securing federal grants for Wuhan’s coronavirus research in the first place.

    He is a more interested party than most people realize.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...mpression=true
    ______________

    Indeed he is, and not a lot of people are aware of that because the media is dutifully doing their duty as running dogs for democrats—and, the CCP.

    At least it certainly appears that way. At any rate, they have worked hard on the fake narrative that the lab origin theory is a conspiracy theory and that the CCP virus had a natural origin.

    The actual fact is both theories lack definitive evidence and the question of how the virus originated is wide open; and if anything, the lab theory has stronger circumstantial evidence for it. But since Fauci could be implicated if the lab theory proved to be true—well, let’s just not go there, says the media. So natural origin it is.

    Leaving the question of origin aside, wtf with funding gain of function research in a communist country with US tax dollars? I mean, what could possibly go wrong? Who’s idea was this? Fauci’s?

    You’d think by now Congress would have Fauci and other heads of the medical bureaucracy appear before a committee to answer some questions about this. I wish it were hard to believe, but it’s plausible many of them are unaware of it.

    And the Daszak character is one of the lead proponents to the natural origin theory but he also heads an organization that was funding GOF research in Wuhan. I think that’s called a conflict of interest so his opinion should be taken with a hefty grain of salt.
    FAUCI WAS VERY LIKELY INVOLVED IN ITS DEVELOPMENT....THUS NO SURPRISE HE IS TRYING TO BURY IT...


    Top US health advisor Dr Fauci backed controversial Wuhan lab for risky coronavirus research: Report


    NEW DELHI:
    An organization backed by top US health advisor Dr Anthony Fauci had funded Chinese scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology for research on coronavirus, claimed a report published by the globally respected US weekly magazine Newsweek.

    In 2019, the National Institutes of Health (NIH), with the backing of Fauci-led National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), committed $3.7 million over six years for research on bat coronaviruses in China, according to a report in Newsweek.

    The research also included gain of function work, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans.



    The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million, it said.



    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/75449844.cms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    FAUCI WAS VERY LIKELY INVOLVED IN ITS DEVELOPMENT....THUS NO SURPRISE HE IS TRYING TO BURY IT...


    Top US health advisor Dr Fauci backed controversial Wuhan lab for risky coronavirus research: Report


    NEW DELHI:
    An organization backed by top US health advisor Dr Anthony Fauci had funded Chinese scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology for research on coronavirus, claimed a report published by the globally respected US weekly magazine Newsweek.

    In 2019, the National Institutes of Health (NIH), with the backing of Fauci-led National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), committed $3.7 million over six years for research on bat coronaviruses in China, according to a report in Newsweek.

    The research also included gain of function work, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans.


    The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million, it said.



    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/75449844.cms
    according to that article i've been sourcing (Origon of COVID - Nicholas Wade)
    https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-...-box-at-wuhan/
    it's a small group of top virologists, and they have an interest in not conflicting with each other.
    Basically a corrupt cabal of players who monetize research based on inside knowledge.
    So no one of the players of influence are gonna rock the boat

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