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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Target using what methods?
    Targeted with social media, primarily. But, as we recall, it went beyond that. It was so extensive as to include postings and websites of fake organizations which organized real rallies which ended up occurring and drawing local Republicans out to events actually concocted in Russia.
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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    So Trump almost nearly obstructed an investigation over a non-crime?
    It matters not if an investigation results in a charge, with respect to whether or not it is legal to obstruct that investigation. It isn't.

    Sort of like obstructing an officer of the law in the course of duty.
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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    So some Russians were indicted.

    Were they successfully prosecuted?
    And this matters why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Here you are making foolish statements and you call me an idiot.
    Well, you are an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Well, you are an idiot.
    The typical Trumpoid low IQ reply.
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    The OP neglects to mention the "Russian spy" in question is Kilimnik, who was an Intel source for the Obama Justice Department.

    Meaning when Democrats use him he's "a source," but when Republicans use him he's "a spy."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...es-john-durham

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taft2016 View Post
    The OP neglects to mention the "Russian spy" in question is Kilimnik, who was an Intel source for the Obama Justice Department.

    Meaning when Democrats use him he's "a source," but when Republicans use him he's "a spy."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...es-john-durham
    Kilimnik is like the "Russian cutout" the IC was fantasizing about that turned over the DNC hack to WIKI

    They trot him out when it's convenient
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    There Was Trump-Russia Collusion — And Trump Pardoned The Colluder

    "It’s official: The Trump campaign colluded with Russia.

    In an explosive development, the Biden administration confirmed that a Russian government agent with close connections to Donald Trump’s top 2016 campaign official “provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and [Trump] campaign strategy.”

    This revelation demolishes, once and for all, Trump’s ceaseless claims that he was the victim of the “greatest witch hunt in the history of our country.” (Recall that a Trump appointee directed Robert Mueller to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.”)

    But just how valuable was the polling and campaign strategy data that Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign chairman, gave to a Russian agent?

    According to Brad Parscale, Trump’s election data guru, [ousted after the Tulsa super-spreader debacle that killed Herman Cain] [my note] the information that Manafort handed directly to Russian intelligence was of critical importance, determining “98 percent” of the campaign’s resource allocations (such as spending on TV, radio and social media ads, rallies, field operations, and so on).

    Indeed, the data was so important that Parscale kept a visualization of the information on his iPad at all times, allowing him to tell then-candidate Trump where to conduct his next rally at a moment’s notice.

    According to the then-Republican-led Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the ultrasensitive campaign information that Manafort passed to a Russian spy “identified voter bases in blue-collar, democratic-leaning states which Trump could swing,” including in “Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota.”

    Moreover, the Russian intelligence officer who received the information “was capable of comprehending the complex polling data.” ... "

    "Perhaps worse, Trump ultimately pardoned Manafort. Trump’s potential political rivals would be wise to remember that he handed the ultimate political favor to the man who colluded with Russia amid Moscow’s campaign to undermine American democracy. ... "

    "As former Trump adviser Steve Bannon — indicted on fraud charges — aptly noted, top Trump officials engaged in a “treasonous” meeting with a former Russian counterintelligence officer and a woman with “extensive and concerning” links to Russian intelligence services.

    At the same time, the then-GOP-led Senate committee made clear that Trump knew of and discussed the release of tens of thousands of Russian-hacked documents and emails pilfered from the Democratic National Committee.

    Indeed, Trump may have instructed a close confidant, Roger Stone, to orchestrate the leak of Russian-stolen documents as a political distraction at a make-or-break moment during the 2016 campaign.

    But it gets worse. According to former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, in surreptitious conversations with a top Russian official, Trump’s soon-to-be national security adviser Michael Flynn was “neutering” American sanctions designed to punish Moscow for interfering in the 2016 election on Trump’s behalf. ... "

    "Perhaps worst of all, Trump’s political allies released sensitive document after sensitive document in a desperate — and ill-fated — bid to score cheap political points for their boss.

    Among other damaging revelations, these selective, politically driven leaks of once highly classified information gave America’s adversaries an intimate look into how America’s secretive spy catchers conduct their work. The long-term damage to national security and to America’s counterintelligence efforts will be debated for years to come. ..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    So those indictments were ‘safe’ so to speak.

    You sure they weren’t made for PR purposes?
    lol, you reek of desperation and defeat

    too easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Kilimnik is like the "Russian cutout" the IC was fantasizing about that turned over the DNC hack to WIKI

    They trot him out when it's convenient
    sure comrade sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Flash,

    Targeted with social media, primarily. But, as we recall, it went beyond that. It was so extensive as to include postings a websites of fake organizations which organized real rallies which ended up occurring and drawing local Republicans out to events actually concocted in Russia.
    I understand that, but I'm not convinced it had much effect. Anybody can post on social media and I'm sure there were as many Americans posting anti-Hillary messages as the Russians. We don't know if those had any effect or whether a voter was influenced by an American or Russian post.

    I'm more likely to believe, as our intelligence reported, that Russia was trying to cause division and confusion as a bigger reason for the interference than just electing Trump. We are certainly more likely to believe myriad conspiracy theories today than before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I understand that, but I'm not convinced it had much effect. Anybody can post on social media and I'm sure there were as many Americans posting anti-Hillary messages as the Russians. We don't know if those had any effect or whether a voter was influenced by an American or Russian post.

    I'm more likely to believe, as our intelligence reported, that Russia was trying to cause division and confusion as a bigger reason for the interference than just electing Trump. We are certainly more likely to believe myriad conspiracy theories today than before.
    that is correct, Putin's number one goal has always been to destabilize the US, and fomenting a race war would do the trick

    Trump is an OUTSTANDING tool for the job, has been sucking up to Putin for decades making millions along the way, and now Vlad has TONS of incriminating info on that asshole

    all so obvious but a truth so large the media only mentions it in passing, a taboo topic for the elites so no press

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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I understand that, but I'm not convinced it had much effect. Anybody can post on social media and I'm sure there were as many Americans posting anti-Hillary messages as the Russians. We don't know if those had any effect or whether a voter was influenced by an American or Russian post.

    I'm more likely to believe, as our intelligence reported, that Russia was trying to cause division and confusion as a bigger reason for the interference than just electing Trump. We are certainly more likely to believe myriad conspiracy theories today than before.
    You're certainly entitled to your take on it. I am convinced the Russian collusion and Russian efforts played a role. I don't know if it pushed him over the top, but it certainly was a squeaker. Lots of things could have made the difference. It's clear that any one factor which would have resulted in Trump losing a few hundred thousand key votes would have swung the election. Russia was definitely trying to get Trump elected. Anybody aware could have predicted that Trump would make a colossal mess of running the country, and further divide America against her self, the goal of Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    that is correct, Putin's number one goal has always been to destabilize the US, and fomenting a race war would do the trick

    Trump is an OUTSTANDING tool for the job, has been sucking up to Putin for decades making millions along the way, and now Vlad has TONS of incriminating info on that asshole

    all so obvious but a truth so large the media only mentions it in passing, a taboo topic for the elites so no press
    Did the Russian collusion change your vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I understand that, but I'm not convinced it had much effect. Anybody can post on social media and I'm sure there were as many Americans posting anti-Hillary messages as the Russians. We don't know if those had any effect or whether a voter was influenced by an American or Russian post.

    I'm more likely to believe, as our intelligence reported, that Russia was trying to cause division and confusion as a bigger reason for the interference than just electing Trump. We are certainly more likely to believe myriad conspiracy theories today than before.
    It’s a joke that Russians could affect an Electoral outcome using social media.

    At least compared to the ‘cabal that fortified’ this last election. THAT was some world class election meddling. And you’re right that the Russians objective was to ‘sow division’—it was in Mullets report. And with that—they hit a home run.

    They nearly removed a president with it.
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