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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    If you wiped Data's memory banks would he still be Data? No. The mechanics are there but unless his entire memories were fully restored, he'd be different. Capabilities and experiences are different things.
    In other words, if Data was to be duplicated with all the memories, both of them are essentially the same person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    More data.

    https://msutwinstudies.com/why-twin-studies
    Twins provide a valuable source of information for health and psychological research, as their unique relationship allows researchers to pull apart and examine genetic and environmental influences. Twin study findings have been influential in detecting and treating various diseases and psychological disorders.

    How are they able to do this? Twin studies allow researchers to examine the overall role of genes in the development of a trait or disorder. Comparisons between monozygotic (MZ or identical) twins and dizygotic (DZ or fraternal) twins are conducted to evaluate the degree of genetic and environmental influence on a specific trait. MZ twins are the same sex and share 100% of their genes. DZ twins can be the same- or opposite-sex and share, on average, 50% of their genes.

    If MZ twins show more similarity on a given trait compared to DZ twins, this provides evidence that genes significantly influence that trait. However, if MZ and DZ twins share a trait to an equal extent, it is likely that the environment influences the trait more than genetic factors. For example, Figure 1 presents MZ and DZ twin correlations for several physical and psychological characteristics. As shown in the figure, MZ twins, on average, are twice as similar as DZ twins for these characteristics, suggesting that genes influence the development of these traits....


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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    In other words, if Data was to be duplicated with all the memories, both of them are essentially the same person?
    If fully reprogrammed after a memory wipe/repair, then, yes, Data should respond the same way to stimuli.

    Consider this; instead of wiping his cybernetic brain we just duplicate it; identical hardware, software and memories/experiences. Upon booting up, both would be completely identical. However, from that moment on, they'll each be experiencing reality differently because they're each seeing it from different perspectives. Put them onboard the Enterprise for a few years; keep one aboard ship, never on away missions why the other is sent on every away mission. Will they be different after five years? I say yes.

    How much different is another question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    If fully reprogrammed after a memory wipe/repair, then, yes, Data should respond the same way to stimuli.

    Consider this; instead of wiping his cybernetic brain we just duplicate it; identical hardware, software and memories/experiences. Upon booting up, both would be completely identical. However, from that moment on, they'll each be experiencing reality differently because they're each seeing it from different perspectives. Put them onboard the Enterprise for a few years; keep one aboard ship, never on away missions why the other is sent on every away mission. Will they be different after five years? I say yes.

    How much different is another question.
    So Data would be aware of what his clone is doing? That's the point of personal identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    So Data would be aware of what his clone is doing? That's the point of personal identity.
    It would like a twin. Are they both individuals? Yes. Like a twin or a clone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    It would like a twin. Are they both individuals? Yes. Like a twin or a clone.
    Yep. So Captain Picard enters a teleporter to be teleported to another planet. He dies. The clone is there on the planet. The Captain Picard isn't aware he's dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Behaviorists and sociologists love identical twin studies. Twins split at birth. Although it was unethical, and would not be done today, three identical triplets were intentionally split and one each placed in a lower, middle and upper income homes. They were each unaware they had identical siblings.

    CNN made a movie about it: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/enter...rs-five-things
    That was chilling. I read a couple of other articles just now about these brothers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    That was chilling. I read a couple of other articles just now about these brothers.
    I have watched documentaries about a couple of identical twins separated at births. They found each other regardless and wore the same styles of clothes. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    That was chilling. I read a couple of other articles just now about these brothers.
    Notice all had mental issues, but only one committed suicide. Did the others attempt suicide at all or were there other factors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Notice all had mental issues, but only one committed suicide. Did the others attempt suicide at all or were there other factors?
    Ever watched a documentary on Robert Crumb? That was creepy as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Ever watched a documentary on Robert Crumb? That was creepy as hell.
    No, but I've just added it to my Netflix que.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109508/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    No, but I've just added it to my Netflix que.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109508/
    I loved his comics. They were as underground as you can go.

    Few examples:

    Heh at this one:



    This one is one of the most popular characters:



    This one has become a popular meme:


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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I loved his comics. They were as underground as you can go.

    Few examples:

    Heh at this one:



    This one is one of the most popular characters:



    This one has become a popular meme:

    I recall his work, his style. The Keep-on-Trucking thing was big in Colorado when I was in HS and college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I recall his work, his style. The Keep-on-Trucking thing was big in Colorado when I was in HS and college.





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    In hhgttg, Adams at least gave the realism that it results in a splitting headache that's only alieved by being extremely drunk.

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