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    Let me start with two parts.

    "Does God exist?" "I don't know."
    "Does God not exist?" "I don't know."

    "Do you believe that God exists?" "No."
    "Do you believe that God doesn't exist?" "No."

    Third part to discuss in addition to those two parts.

    "Do you believe that God exists?" "No."
    "Do you believe that God doesn't exist?" "Yes".

    A funny flip side to that one.

    "Do you believe that God exists?" "Yes."
    "Do you believe that God doesn't exist?" "No."

    Discuss them. Give terms for the first two terms and their definitions. Bonus, give two terms for the last two parts and their definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Let me start with two parts.

    "Does God exist?" "I don't know."
    "Does God not exist?" "I don't know."

    "Do you believe that God exists?" "No."
    "Do you believe that God doesn't exist?" "No."

    Third part to discuss in addition to those two parts.

    "Do you believe that God exists?" "No."
    "Do you believe that God doesn't exist?" "Yes".

    A funny flip side to that one.

    "Do you believe that God exists?" "Yes."
    "Do you believe that God doesn't exist?" "No."

    Discuss them. Give terms for the first two terms and their definitions. Bonus, give two terms for the last two parts and their definitions.
    you are wrong if you think atheists do not deny the existence of God.....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    you are wrong if you think atheists do not deny the existence of God.....
    Okay. What do you call those people in the second part?

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    Wait a minute. I just thought of the fifth part!

    "Do you believe that God exists?" "Yes."
    "Do you believe that God doesn't exist?". "Yes."



    Would that person be called an existentialist? Nihilist? What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Okay. What do you call those people in the second part?
    I call people who deny the existence of God atheists.......I call those in your second part imaginary creatures who may or may not exist outside of your mind......I guess that means I am agnostic about your people of the second part......
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I call people who deny the existence of God atheists.......I call those in your second part imaginary creatures who may or may not exist outside of your mind......I guess that means I am agnostic about your people of the second part......
    I guess you're the one of my many imaginary creatures that have no clue if the Bigfoot exist.

    Another question for you> Do you believe that Zeus doesn't exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I guess you're the one of my many imaginary creatures that have no clue if the Bigfoot exist.

    Another question for you> Do you believe that Zeus doesn't exist?
    I believe Zeus does not exist......I believe Bigfoot does not exist.......I believe you do not exist.....at least not in a cognitive state......
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I believe Zeus does not exist......I believe Bigfoot does not exist.......I believe you do not exist.....at least not in a cognitive state......
    So you're:

    1. Azeust
    2. Abigfootist
    3. A-Aproudleftist

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    So you're:

    1. Azeust
    2. Abigfootist
    3. A-Aproudleftist
    ir-rational.....pre-sumptive......
    does amoral mean against- or without-....?
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    ir-rational.....pre-sumptive......
    does amoral mean against- or without-....?
    It means without moral. It means a person doesn't give a single fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    It means without moral. It means a person doesn't give a single fuck.
    just as atheist means without a god.....thanks, that was fun while it lasted......
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    just as atheist means without a god.....thanks, that was fun while it lasted......
    LOL. Nice try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    LOL. Nice try.
    ???.....not a try.....conclusion....it's not even at issue......atheists deny the existence of deity.......its inherent in the real definition of atheism.......

    https://thensrn.org/2020/01/27/a-his...-dictionaries/
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    This definition has the added virtue of making atheism a direct answer to one of the most important metaphysical questions in philosophy of religion, namely, “Is there a God?” There are only two possible direct answers to this question: “yes”, which is theism, and “no”, which is atheism. Answers like “I don’t know”, “no one knows”, “I don’t care”, “an affirmative answer has never been established”, or “the question is meaningless” are not direct answers to this question.
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    ???.....not a try.....conclusion....it's not even at issue......atheists deny the existence of deity.......its inherent in the real definition of atheism.......

    https://thensrn.org/2020/01/27/a-his...-dictionaries/
    Theism means a belief in God/gods. Atheism means without a belief in God/gods.

    It's quite simple.

    If you want to be anal, we could coin the term, "atheost", which means "a person without god".

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