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    Default Minnesota law is weird. [It's flyover country, after all.]

    Chauvin was guilty as hell, but how could the same homicide be three different crimes?

    Normally, in most states, a conviction will be returned for the most serious charge on which the jury can agree.

    Our federal system is in my opinion absurd. 50 states. 50 different sets of felony statutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Chauvin was guilty as hell, but how could the same homicide be three different crimes?

    Normally, in most states, a conviction will be returned for the most serious charge on which the jury can agree.

    Our federal system is in my opinion absurd. 50 states. 50 different sets of felony statutes.
    Exactly...but in this case the jury had no choice....they knew what would happen...to the city, the country and more than likely to them and their families, if there was any announcement of "not guilty"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Exactly...but in this case the jury had no choice....they knew what would happen...to the city, the country and more than likely to them and their families, if there was any announcement of "not guilty"....
    The jury followed the law as it exists in Minnesota.

    My point is that in almost any other state, at least the ones with which I'm familiar, the jury has completely different instructions for returning their verdict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    The jury followed the law as it exists in Minnesota.

    My point is that in almost any other state, at least the ones with which I'm familiar, the jury has completely different instructions for returning their verdict.
    Ok...interesting....This was a strange trial, for sure...thanks for the info...
    Why do you think they weren't sequestered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Exactly...but in this case the jury had no choice....they knew what would happen...to the city, the country and more than likely to them and their families, if there was any announcement of "not guilty"....
    Has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Your reading comprehension sucks. His point was about ALLOWING someone to be convicted of multiple charges. I don't think Minnesota is that unusual in this regard. People are often convicted of multiple counts of the same thing, or multiple offenses. I'm not a legal expert, but it seems like when you hear about these cases, sentences will be concurrent or consecutive, so there are often multiple charges. It also appears that in the Chauvin cases, the sentencing could become longer if 'aggravating circumstances' are present.

    So, returning to what you said, your position is an insult to the jurors. They did their job. If Chauvin was guilty of second degree murder, the other charges were pretty much no-brainers. Your hero is a murderer. He's going to jail. Your support for him speaks volumes about your character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Your reading comprehension sucks. His point was about ALLOWING someone to be convicted of multiple charges. I don't think Minnesota is that unusual in this regard. People are often convicted of multiple counts of the same thing, or multiple offenses. I'm not a legal expert, but it seems like when you hear about these cases, sentences will be concurrent or consecutive, so there are often multiple charges. It also appears that in the Chauvin cases, the sentencing could become longer if 'aggravating circumstances' are present.

    So, returning to what you said, your position is an insult to the jurors. They did their job. If Chauvin was guilty of second degree murder, the other charges were pretty much no-brainers. Your hero is a murderer. He's going to jail. Your support for him speaks volumes about your character.
    I stand by what I posted....this isn't about support for anyone....
    Your post is full of ridiculous, inaccurate commentary, as usual....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Exactly...but in this case the jury had no choice....they knew what would happen...to the city, the country and more than likely to them and their families, if there was any announcement of "not guilty"....
    Yes, the jury had a choice. That's why they were given instructions and form to fill out for each charge. To memorialize that choice. Why do you think it's okay to insult these jurors and call them cowards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    I stand by what I posted....this isn't about support for anyone....
    Your post is full of ridiculous, inaccurate commentary, as usual....
    Name it. Oh, you can't, because you are not a serious poster. You are a troll. Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Name it. Oh, you can't, because you are not a serious poster. You are a troll. Carry on.
    Read your post...
    I stand by what I said...I'm not insulting the jury....they did what they had to do....We all understand that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Read your post...
    I stand by what I said...I'm not insulting the jury....they did what they had to do....We all understand that....
    We? You and the turd in your pocket? I don't understand that at all. What you are saying is that a jury should base it's decision on the potential reaction to it in the community. You believe that's their job. That is an insult to every person who ever served on a jury as well as an incredibly ignorant understanding of how our legal system works. Once again, thank God you didn't teach my kids anything. You are a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    We? You and the turd in your pocket? I don't understand that at all. What you are saying is that a jury should base it's decision on the potential reaction to it in the community. You believe that's their job. That is an insult to every person who ever served on a jury as well as an incredibly ignorant understanding of how our legal system works. Once again, thank God you didn't teach my kids anything. You are a moron.
    I didn't say they should...I said it's my opinion that they did consider much more than what was presented in court......It would be impossible not to....No insult....
    I'm happy you're sharing with me that you're thanking God....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    I didn't say they should...I said it's my opinion that they did consider much more than what was presented in court......It would be impossible not to....No insult....
    I'm happy you're sharing with me that you're thanking God....
    Term of art. I'm not. No, it is not impossible for a juror to do their job. It would probably be impossible for you, which is why I wouldn't want you to serve on a jury any more than I'd want you to teach my kids. You lack the moral character to do either. That's why you can't comprehend that a juror would examine the facts and render a verdict based on those facts. You don't have the integrity to do it, so you assume no one does. You're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Term of art. I'm not. No, it is not impossible for a juror to do their job. It would probably be impossible for you, which is why I wouldn't want you to serve on a jury any more than I'd want you to teach my kids. You lack the moral character to do either. That's why you can't comprehend that a juror would examine the facts and render a verdict based on those facts. You don't have the integrity to do it, so you assume no one does. You're wrong.
    You're wrong....) The jurors are only human....
    I don't want to serve on a jury, either...Do you?....I've been called many times, btw...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    You're wrong....) The jurors are only human....
    I don't want to serve on a jury, either...Do you?....I've been called many times, btw...
    I have served on a jury. Some of us think it's our responsibility. I guess to you it's just an inconvenience. More evidence about your utter lack of integrity. Thanks for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    I have served on a jury. Some of us think it's our responsibility. I guess to you it's just an inconvenience. More evidence about your utter lack of integrity. Thanks for that.
    It's not an inconvenience....I went every time i received notice...
    actually it's all about honesty and integrity....isn't it?

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