Interesting. But I am not describing myself using the word "agnostic." And I disagree with the nonsense that people who use the word "atheist" as a descriptor would answer "No" to the question, "Do you believe that God doesn't exist?" MOST (perhaps ALL) people who describe themselves as atheists...do, in fact, "believe" (guess, opine, suppose, accept) that this "God" does not exist...nor do any other gods.
I do not KNOW if any gods exist...AND I am not willing to make any guesses or suppositions on the matter. You may think it convenient to box agnostics into only dealing with the "knowledge" element...but many people using that descriptor also go to the "belief" question. Many (not ALL) do not do "believing" on the issue.
No apologies needed. Just curious why you found it "sad" or me "going off the edge". That is all.
But yes you're right. There is no contradiction.[/QUOTE]
ON HIS WORST DAY, JOE BIDEN IS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN TRUMP WAS ON HIS BEST DAY!
ON HIS WORST DAY, JOE BIDEN IS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN TRUMP WAS ON HIS BEST DAY!
Jack (04-22-2021)
ON HIS WORST DAY, JOE BIDEN IS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN TRUMP WAS ON HIS BEST DAY!
I don't remember all that I should from anatomy, I guess.
Is the bottom of one's foot considered a sole, or is that just the bottom of one's shoe?
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969
Frank Apisa (04-22-2021)
Possible.
Not sure if Mr. Owl identifies using the descriptor "atheist"...but if he does, and if Mr. Owl were asked. "Do you 'believe', suppose, guess, or accept without proof that either no gods exist...or that it is more likely that no gods exist than that at least one does?"...how would he answer?
ON HIS WORST DAY, JOE BIDEN IS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN TRUMP WAS ON HIS BEST DAY!
I believe that the entire universe and all that occurs within it are merely the random confluence of sub atomic particles interacting in the infinity of space.
The only question remaining to me is whether or not some "god" created the sub-atomic particles.
Wait, one other question: How the fuck does it matter?
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969
Mostly true. Where you lose me is in your claim that someone cannot passively lack belief and call themselves an atheist. (I don't care what 'label' you want to use for that, it IS my position). i cannot say with absolutely certainty that God does not exist, because I can't say with certainty that ANYTHING doesn't exist. That does not put me in the same position as someone who insists that God does exist. Because we both have the same tools available to establish our positions, and those tools come down 100% on one side of the issue. There is nothing in science to suggest the existence of or the need for a God. That's the fundamental reason I don't believe one exists. I think this is largely a semantics discussion, and you appear to be pretty passionate about what you perceive as the misuse of the term 'atheist'. We'll agree to disagree. The dictionary definitions of atheist includes my position, so I have no problem calling myself that. Not all atheists are created equal. But again, outside of these kinds of threads, that isn't a characteristic that defines my world view, at least not a very important one.
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