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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Actually it's "Non-Knowers".
    I've avoided this Thread since Jesus Freak Leader PMP started it, knowing it would be a worthless discussion.
    You get three choices.
    A. I KNOW there is a God!
    B. 'God' is a fantasy, there IS NO GOD!
    C. Ah, um, ... no proof either way. Maybe ... maybe not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    So now we got to the root of your problem. You have a problem with people calling you or suggesting that you are an atheist.
    Now we are???

    This is a topic I have discussed extensively on the Internet for over 20 years.

    I am not an atheist...nor am I a theist.

    Gnosticism has to do with knowledge. Theism has to do with belief.
    Who cares. I am not defining myself as an AGNOSTIC. I have defined my position with words...not a descriptor. Here it is again:

    I do not know if any gods exist or not;
    I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
    I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
    I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

    ...so I don't.


    If you take issue with anything there, tell me what it is and we can discuss it.


    Yes it makes sense. You are not an atheist because you think it means that you BELIEVE that there is no God.
    I am not an atheist because I am not an atheist.

    I do not do "believing."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Um I was talking about the other question. LOL.
    I answered the other question also.

    If you do not like my answer...talk about the part you do not like, and we can discuss it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I've avoided this Thread since Jesus Freak Leader PMP started it, knowing it would be a worthless discussion.
    You get three choices.
    A. I KNOW there is a God!
    B. 'God' is a fantasy, there IS NO GOD!
    C. Ah, um, ... no proof either way. Maybe ... maybe not?
    Agnosticism is like this:

    "Does God exist?" "I don't know."
    "Does God not exist?" "I don't know."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I answered the other question also.

    If you do not like my answer...talk about the part you do not like, and we can discuss it.
    If I missed the answer, my apologies. Perhaps post the post number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Agnosticism is like this:

    "Does God exist?" "I don't know."
    "Does God not exist?" "I don't know."
    OK. I can live with that.
    (By the way, can you PROVE otherwise?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    OK. I can live with that.
    (By the way, can you PROVE otherwise?)
    The strange thing is that we cannot know anything. As a famous philosopher once said, "the only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    The strange thing is that we cannot know anything. As a famous philosopher once said, "the only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing."
    Taste, Feel, Hear, See, Smell defines Reality for most of us.
    I, personally, try to live in Reality here.
    If there is a 'Level 2', I will attempt to live in THAT Reality when I get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Taste, Feel, Hear, See, Smell defines Reality for most of us.
    I, personally, try to live in Reality here.
    If there is a 'Level 2', I will attempt to live in THAT Reality when I get there.
    My level 10 is being buried in the "bush".

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    My level 10 is being buried in the "bush".
    Yes. Why go for the 72 Virgins ... when Hell is filled with Sluts, Whores, and Porn Stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    If I missed the answer, my apologies. Perhaps post the post number?
    You have asked me many questions...and I have answered each of them. That is why I said, "I answered the other question also."

    If my response to any question you have asked of me is something you would like to discuss...please mention the response and your trouble with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    You have asked me many questions...and I have answered each of them. That is why I said, "I answered the other question also."

    If my response to any question you have asked of me is something you would like to discuss...please mention the response and your trouble with it.
    This post in question is what you had a problem with:

    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    "Do you believe that aliens exist?" "No."
    "Do you believe that aliens don't exist?" "No."
    I asked you why you had a problem with it. You didn't answer as far as I could see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Do you need to fear God to not kill someone, for fear of punishment?
    that's a rather ignorant question, don't you think?........have you bothered to read my posts?....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It is cute you think moral guidance has to come from religion.
    its sad you're stupid enough enough to think I do think that....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    This post in question is what you had a problem with:



    I asked you why you had a problem with it. You didn't answer as far as I could see.
    My initial response to reading that posting was, "Oh, shit, he's gone off the edge." I saw nothing of importance to that posting...particularly since you did not offer a predicate for why you posted it.

    Nifty posted a kind of light-hearted response that I thought to be appropriate...and I thanked the post for the thought.

    My feelings were...this is sad...mostly, I now realize, because of the lack of predicate.

    In another forum I initiated a post that was titled (and began with) "I do not believe gods exist…but I do not believe there are no gods."

    Took a lot of shit in that thread...people accusing me of saying contradictory things.

    But there was no contradiction.

    I mention this because in essence, I agree with what you wrote...

    ...I do not "believe" that aliens exist...but I also do not "believe" there are no aliens.

    What you wrote is entirely consistent.

    But I saw no reason for it being written...and (perhaps erroneously) felt a note of desperation in it.

    My apologies if I was flip in my response.
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