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    He was trained in CPR and when it’s needed

    He recklessly endangered Floyd’s life by not rendering immediate aid as trained

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    with the exception that there is this thing called judgment notwithstanding the verdict (to be honest I don't remember if that applies outside civil law and I am too lazy to look).......if a judge believes the jury is out of whack with what they reasonably could decide he can void the verdict.......
    So you think if they don’t convict the judge will convict?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    That's fair.

    I have great empathy for the position of police in this big "debate" the nation is having right now. I thought the cop in MN last week was put in a terrible position. The issue I have is with what happened prior to her action - but I think her action was a tragic mistake that resulted from police overreaction leading up to it.

    I think the healthy side of the big debate is talking about what the police should really be doing. Do we need 3 cops to approach a car over a registration, or even an outstanding warrant? Sometimes, it seems like we're creating situations where one bad move could result in tragedy, when it's not necessary.
    To your last point the challenge is there are videos of cops being attacked, and even killed, in seemingly 'regular' encounters and those incidents are used as justification for why more than one cop can be present in different situations.

    I don't pretend to have all the answers here, it's not easy.

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    There is no way she made that mistake


    Muscle memory along would prevent that mistake


    I think it’s was a plan by racists to get a free kill and get off


    There are racist groups in our police folks


    And in the military

    A plan to get trained and secure power and access to arms

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    There is no way she made that mistake


    Muscle memory alone would prevent that mistake


    I think it’s was a plan by racists to get a free kill and get off


    There are racist groups in our police folks


    And in the military

    A plan to get trained and secure power and access to arms

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    There is no way she made that mistake


    Muscle memory alone would prevent that mistake


    I think it’s was a plan by racists to get a free kill and get off


    There are racist groups in our police folks


    And in the military

    A plan to get trained and secure power and access to arms
    crazy talk.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    That's fair.

    I have great empathy for the position of police in this big "debate" the nation is having right now. I thought the cop in MN last week was put in a terrible position. The issue I have is with what happened prior to her action - but I think her action was a tragic mistake that resulted from police overreaction leading up to it.

    I think the healthy side of the big debate is talking about what the police should really be doing. Do we need 3 cops to approach a car over a registration, or even an outstanding warrant? Sometimes, it seems like we're creating situations where one bad move could result in tragedy, when it's not necessary.
    Well I think the cop in Minneapolis who accidentally shot and killed a man did the appropriate thing for a professional who F’d up that badly. She resigned and I’m assuming she did so knowing she’ll never wear a badge again. Criminal charges aside.

    As I see it we have two significant problems with law enforcement in our country. Training and militarization.

    The later is extremely concerning as the mission of police officers vs soldiers are completely different and are probably playing a role in excessive use of force.

    Training is another serious issue. I think police training is inadequate. To gain professional licensing I had to earn a degree in a subject matter related field, had to obtain three years of full time on the job training, had to pass a rigorous and comprehensive examination, not to mention annual continuing education and training requirements, I have to meet recertification requirements every five years.

    I think given the enormous role police officers play in public safety that some similar sort of National Standards for licensing/ certification of police officers would be a common sense solution as we currently have none. Where I live a clean record, a high school education and 12 weeks of police academy are all that’s required. I find that wholly inadequate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    It's the definition of being reckless.
    No Desh, by definition in the laws of Minnesota they are not the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post


    I think given the enormous role police officers play in public safety that some similar sort of National Standards for licensing/ certification of police officers would be a common sense solution as we currently have none. Where I live a clean record, a high school education and 12 weeks of police academy are all that’s required. I find that wholly inadequate.
    I find paying someone a piddly assed salary of 40k per year to risk their life and also deal with this bullshit is wholly inadequate. In fact, I wish they would all quit. Not. worth. it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    No Desh, by definition in the laws of Minnesota they are not the same.
    What's "Desh?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    To your last point the challenge is there are videos of cops being attacked, and even killed, in seemingly 'regular' encounters and those incidents are used as justification for why more than one cop can be present in different situations.

    I don't pretend to have all the answers here, it's not easy.
    No it certainly doesn’t and the complete video and dispatch evidence shown today proves that.

    In fact based on what I saw Chauvin’s actions were completely reasonable up until Floyd lost consciousness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    What's "Desh?"
    Sorry. A long time ago she used the username Deshrubinator. We called her “Desh” for short. Old habits are hard to break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    I find paying someone a piddly assed salary of 40k per year to risk their life and also deal with this bullshit is wholly inadequate. In fact, I wish they would all quit. Not. worth. it.
    On average they pay the police officers here considerably more than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    No it certainly doesn’t and the complete video and dispatch evidence shown today proves that.

    In fact based on what I saw Chauvin’s actions were completely reasonable up until Floyd lost consciousness.
    ...lost consciousness and died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I took the day off work today due to a mild fever from my second COVID vaccination and have been watching the closing arguments in the Derek Chauvin trial.
    Hope you feel better.

    Thanks for the analysis/observations. Had wondered why 1st degree manslaughter wasn't included; your links were helpful in answering that. I have to agree that manslaughter is the most likely outcome. What do you think the sentence will be, given that he is a first time offender?
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