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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Keep in mind I’m basing my analysis on Minnesota law as written. I don’t hold a JD so I’m not in a position to credibly interpret Minnesota law. As written in Minnesota law a reasonable police officer when engaging a suspect resisting arrest is permitted use of force other then use of a lethal weapon. So without interpreting that means that any use of force used by a reasonable police officer, excluding lethal weapons, would be permitted and could not be legally classified as felony assault.

    A member of the board who does hold a JD could probably shed more light upon that distinction.
    Agreed. The question is when does the reasonable use of force become unreasonable to the point of an assault? Obviously, that’s for the jury to weigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Agreed. The question is when does the reasonable use of force become unreasonable to the point of an assault? Obviously, that’s for the jury to weigh.
    Chauvin used force after officers told him Floyd had no pulse. That is second degree manslaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    ...lost consciousness and died.
    Yes, and died and he should be held accountable for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Agreed. The question is when does the reasonable use of force become unreasonable to the point of an assault? Obviously, that’s for the jury to weigh.
    Unfortunately per Minnesota law that would have occurred if he used a lethal weapon. Per Minnesota law once a reasonable police officer has determined that use of force was necessary in making an arrest, and that threshold was clearly met, any force deemed necessary and that the officer had been trained to use would exempt him from felony assault charges. Unless a lethal weapon was used. Which was not.

    Since a felony assault did not occur during his restraint of Mr. Floyd then there would be reasonable doubt on the third degree murder charge.

    Now that doesn’t mean that the jury won’t convict him on that count but if they acquit him due to reasonable doubt it would be a legitimate decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    On average they pay the police officers here considerably more than that.
    In Florida it's between 40-70k and that 70k is the high end.

    IMO, that is not enough to be a sitting duck to be murdered and put up with this kind of garbage.

    I wish they would ALL quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Chauvin used force after officers told him Floyd had no pulse. That is second degree manslaughter.
    I would agree with that. I would go a step further. Once he was informed by his fellow officer that Floyd was unconscious and was in hypoxic shock and acknowledged him and he continued to kneel on Floyd’s neck he had crossed the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I would agree with that. I would go a step further. Once he was informed by his fellow officer that Floyd was unconscious and was in hypoxic shock and acknowledged him and he continued to kneel on Floyd’s neck he had crossed the line.
    Chauvin is 5' 7" and weighs 140 lbs and his knee was between his shoulder and his neck. It's clear enough on video shot from behind. Question for you, was that technique approved by the MPD or not? Floyd was a dead man walking, it's clear from the official autopsy that he hadn't long to live. I'm not saying that Chauvin is entirely innocent but it's hard to see how that trial is little different to a show trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    In Florida it's between 40-70k and that 70k is the high end.

    IMO, that is not enough to be a sitting duck to be murdered and put up with this kind of garbage.

    I wish they would ALL quit.
    I don’t know about that. My line of work is more dangerous, by OSHA stats, than police work and the mid career salary range is between 75 kpy and $125 kpy but a licensed professional in my field must have significantly higher qualifications than a patrol officer.

    I’ve known several detectives who both had comparable credentials to mine and their salaries were comparable to mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Chauvin is 5' 7" and weighs 140 lbs and his knee was between his shoulder and his neck. It's clear enough on video shot from behind. Question for you, was that technique approved by the MPD or not?
    He's that little? Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I would agree with that. I would go a step further. Once he was informed by his fellow officer that Floyd was unconscious and was in hypoxic shock and acknowledged him and he continued to kneel on Floyd’s neck he had crossed the line.
    Crossed the line into murder or reckless endangerment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Chauvin is 5' 7" and weighs 140 lbs and his knee was between his shoulder and his neck. It's clear enough on video shot from behind. Question for you, was that technique approved by the MPD or not?
    I honestly don’t know but the testimony in court was that he had been trained in using that technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Crossed the line into murder or reckless endangerment.
    Manslaughter at the least. The video evidence and and dispatch evidence provided significant evidence that he was not being reckless. It did not show that he wasn’t being culpably negligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I honestly don’t know but the testimony in court was that he had been trained in using that technique.
    It was not. Even the police chief said Chauvin was not justified to use that technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Yes, and died and he should be held accountable for it.
    That trial should never have been held in Minnesota, it should have been moved out of state. Oh and Maxine Waters should be on trial for insurrection.

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    Prosecutors had to show that Chauvin caused Floyd’s death through culpable negligence that created an unreasonable risk, and that he consciously took the chance of causing severe injury or death.

    Testimony that revealed Chauvin should have known to put Floyd in a side recovery position, that he should have provided medical care before paramedics arrived and that he stayed in his position after he was told Floyd didn’t have a pulse could all point to negligence, said former U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger.

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