Critique of the Communist Manifesto

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How's Socialism Doing in Venezuela?



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Venezuela is falling apart. Its economy? Ruined. Its people? Hungry. Its government? Corrupt. What happened? In a word, socialism. Debbie D'Souza, a native Venezuelan and political activist, explains.

The US government did that. The Koch brothers wanted their oil and got it.

[Into the Night]

Any system can be corrupted by politician and oligarchs.

Sure.

If the CIA stayed out of socialist countries,

There is no such thing as a 'socialist country'. Socialism is not a form of government.

we'd see a lot more success in Latin America and Europe.

Who are 'we'? Do you have more than one personality? You can only speak for you. You cannot speak for others.
Who are you to judge 'success' anywhere? By what metric? Why is that metric valid?

Much of Mexico is racked by mobs and gangs, and a corrupt government. The people living there manage to do rather well despite that, considering the fear they have to live under.
Parts of Europe are doing well, others aren't.

We were told that Greece, Spain, and Italy went bankrupt because the workers are lazy and get too much of a pension.

The economies in these nations are largely communism or fascism. The governments of Greece, Spain, and Italy can't pay for their socialism any more. They are constantly begging from the Germans. The Germans are getting quite tired of it, too.

I can take a quick dive down that rabbit hole and post my findings here anytime I want.

Go ahead.

I can back up my claim of 60 million unemployed, but let's say the economists are wrong and it's only 50 million or 40 million, those jobs are not coming back.

Why should they? Do you insist, for example, that the job of making buggy whips should be widescale just because it once was?

We all know the next Wall Street crash is coming within the next 4 year

Nope. It's the Fed. I've already described this.

but it may happen a lot sooner than that.

Possibly.

We also know that a lot of Americans can't pay for their housing, utilities, or food.

Thank the Democrats for that. They were the ones that shut down businesses and business activity. Perhaps you've heard of the so-called Covid pandemic.

When people fill the streets hungry and angry, will our militarized police brutalize and murder the people they are paid to serve and protect?

No. The police aren't militarized, and they are losing their jobs left and right as well, again, thanks to the Democrats.

Crime rate is going up too.

[Into the Night]

The US government did that. The Koch brothers wanted their oil and got it.

No. Chavez did that. Socialism did that. Maduro did that. Civil war in Venezuela did that.

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The reason you don't where to start is because you are still considering a worker a slave. They aren't. You apparently never read my post. Go back and read it.

Workers have a price for their services just like anything else. Their product is their expertise and willingness to do a job that someone else is willing to pay for. That's capitalism.
That worker can leave anytime they want to.

If workers are paid little, it's because there is a glut in the market for that worker. If you are untrained, only good for 'minimum wage' jobs, that's not the employers fault, that's yours. Go get yourself a skill that's marketable. Nothing is stopping you but your own initiative to do it.

You don't need a college degree to make lots of money. You just need to find a service you can provide that people are willing to pay more for. That's what capitalism is all about.

Wall street is not capitalism. It is gambling. Go back and read my post. Money isn't 'funneled' anywhere. Capitalism is the guy running the pharmacy on the corner. It's the gas station just down the road. It's the oil refineries that sell gasoline to that station. It's the oil drillers that supply oil to the refineries. All of it is capitalism, including the trucks to move it the product from place to place.

A 4 year degree won't cut it in the 21st century. Our kids and grandkids need to have at least a masters or know someone who can get them an apprenticeship for a good paying union job. Let's get real, the US government wants our grandkids to join the military so they can prolong the collapse of the US empire by starting WWIII. History tells us what's coming.

[Matt Dillon]

Post away.

Nobody on JPP fits that description, AFAIK. You might as well expect a unicorn to watch it.

Sad but true. It's an interesting little corner of the internet.

You'd have better luck seeing this:



Btw, that's a rainbow-farting unicorn.

[Drummie123]

The US government did that. The Koch brothers wanted their oil and got it.

You seem to be the resident apologist for Communism.

Tell us how America is to blame in these 40+ instances of Communism failing.

It's always AMERICA's fault, huh?

A list of countries where Communism HAS been tried.


It's true when people online and in colleges and universities in the west say that "Communism has never been tried".

They are right of course, Communism, which is based on Marx's Communist manifesto, has never been tried.

Except in Russia, China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, Vietnam, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, Yemen, Czech Republic, Germany (East), Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Rep. of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia, Angola, Benin, Dem Rep. of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea and Mozambique.


Other than those few times, Communism has NEVER been tried, and every time it was tried in any of those countries, it failed, miserably, and created an insane bloodthirsty dictatorship that tortured, gulaged, killed, stole fro and staved its own people.



The gross number that is estimated for the totality of people who were murdered, starved or just died thanks to Communism being implemented in their country, is around 100 million people.


The most disastrously effected country by Communism was the People's Republic of China, where under Mao Zedong some 45 – 60 million people were starved to death and murdered.


In the USSR, under Lenin and later Stalin, at least 50 million people were starved and murdered.


In Cambodia, under Pol Pot, one quarter of the whole population (some 2 million people) was starved and murdered.


In other countries like in Cuba and North Korea, the Communist dictators mainly used their absolutist power to accumulate huge personal wealth, while the local population was reduced to starving.


But all of this history and facts won't deter people, mainly young impressianble people online and in western university campuses who never been to a Communist country in their lives, to say that Communism has never been tried, and if it's tried just one more time it will definitely work this time.

https://www.dispropaganda.com/single...ried-statement

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Do you have more than one personality?

Yes. Sometimes I'm funny, other times I'm justifiably angry, but recently I've been enjoying JPP debate while self-medicating with some 21st century cannabis.

My avatar does say I'm damaged.

[goat]

Return of the Pink Tide

US installed dictators in Latin America have failed to control Covid-19 and are now being voted out. Turns out that people like competent leaders and single-payer healthcare. Why is it that the drug trade and gun runners thrive under US backed, right-wing strongmen leaders? It's a simple question.

South America and Central America's Northern Triangle are begging Russia and China for help. US involvement is what caused the Pink Tide revival. The world has no other choice than to become partners with Moscow and Beijing. There is no avoiding WWIII and fall of the US empire. We got the government we deserve.

[T. A. Gardner]

Return of the Pink Tide

US installed dictators in Latin America have failed to control Covid-19 and are now being voted out.

Could you list these "dictators" being "voted out" for us in say the last year or so?

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Could you list these "dictators" being "voted out" for us in say the last year or so?

Argentina's Mauricio Macri and Bolivia's Evo Morakes are out.
Ivan Duque in Colombia and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil are struggling to remain in power.
Ecuador and Chile are dealing with massive protests against austerity.
Nicolas Madura is still in power in Venezuela while Juan Guaido is in hiding.

Latin America has no other choice but to ask Moscow and Beijing for help with their fight against the CIA.

[T. A. Gardner]

Argentina's Mauricio Macri and Bolivia's Evo Morakes are out.
Ivan Duque in Colombia and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil are struggling to remain in power.
Ecuador and Chile are dealing with massive protests against austerity.
Nicolas Madura is still in power in Venezuela while Juan Guaido is in hiding.

Latin America has no other choice but to ask Moscow and Beijing for help with their fight against the CIA.

Well, let's go through those names:

Mauricio Macri is a Conservative and leans Right. He won election in 2015 and lost in 2019. In his term in office he deregulated and de-socialized much of the economy resulting in an economic boom but at the same time angering vest interests and powerful families that had long been controlling portions of the market. He lost the 2019 election to Alberto Fernández who is a radical Leftist and has the support of hard Left groups like Argentina's Communist party. After taking office he raised taxes, made efforts to re-socialize some of the economy and is now having to deal with the economy tanking badly. Again, Macri is hardly some US puppet and his replacement certainly isn't.

Evo Morakes is a radical Leftist and Socialist. He had no particular support from the US and was certainly not installed by the US in some coup. He was voted out of office after 14 years due mostly to the failure of the economy, serious questions about voter fraud and corruption, and his general lack of support that faded with his inability to improve Bolivia.

Ivan Duque is a centrist and of late has seen increasing Leftist protests against his administration. He certainly was not installed in office in some sort of US led coup or something.

Jair Bolsonaro is a Right wing nationalist who is pretty much hated by the Left and vilified in Western media for the same reason. Bolsonaro of recent has reversed himself on environmentalism expressing support for rain forest protection and reducing carbon emissions. There's nothing to support that he got in office or remains there as a function of US intervention in Brazilian politics.

You say,

Nicolas Madura is still in power in Venezuela while Juan Guaido is in hiding.

Madura is no US puppet now is he? Since he's still in power and unlikely to lose it having made the Venezuelan election process one of rubber stamping his staying in power.

On the whole, S. America is just doing the politics it always had with swings between Left and Right. I can't see you proving any of these leaders got elected through some nefarious US scheme.

[Minister of Truth]

No, they don't. Philosophy is simply presenting your OWN arguments and your OWN reasoning. It is nothing else. Even quoting Aristotle and using his arguments is NOT philosophy.

Aristotle is philosophy. Given that there haven't really been many quality philosophers since Kant (and none of them well-known). I do not define philosophy as "be yourself," or "define your own reality." Truth and reason exist independently of human thought or action.

[goat]

Well, let's go through those names:

Mauricio Macri is a Conservative and leans Right. He won election in 2015 and lost in 2019. In his term in office he deregulated and de-socialized much of the economy resulting in an economic boom but at the same time angering vest interests and powerful families that had long been controlling portions of the market. He lost the 2019 election to Alberto Fernández who is a radical Leftist and has the support of hard Left groups like Argentina's Communist party. After taking office he raised taxes, made efforts to re-socialize some of the economy and is now having to deal with the economy tanking badly. Again, Macri is hardly some US puppet and his replacement certainly isn't.

Evo Morakes is a radical Leftist and Socialist. He had no particular support from the US and was certainly not installed by the US in some coup. He was voted out of office after 14 years due mostly to the failure of the economy, serious questions about voter fraud and corruption, and his general lack of support that faded with his inability to improve Bolivia.

Ivan Duque is a centrist and of late has seen increasing Leftist protests against his administration. He certainly was not installed in office in some sort of US led coup or something.

Jair Bolsonaro is a Right wing nationalist who is pretty much hated by the Left and vilified in Western media for the same reason. Bolsonaro of recent has reversed himself on environmentalism expressing support for rain forest protection and reducing carbon emissions. There's nothing to support that he got in office or remains there as a function of US intervention in Brazilian politics.

You say,
Madura is no US puppet now is he? Since he's still in power and unlikely to lose it having made the Venezuelan election process one of rubber stamping his staying in power.

On the whole, S. America is just doing the politics it always had with swings between Left and Right. I can't see you proving any of these leaders got elected through some nefarious US scheme.

You can't spend a few hours on the net and learn all about US involvement in Latin America. The CIA goes in with tons of guns to create chaos and the next thing you know corporations are stealing the natural resources and polluting the land.

The US will once again quash the Pink Tide revival to pillage the land. I'm on team people so I know that social governments have done a lot to help the people keep their land, natural resources, and slow the deadly disease caused by deregulation.

The good news, T.A., is I like debating people willing to do the research.

[Into the Night]

A 4 year degree won't cut it in the 21st century. Our kids and grandkids need to have at least a masters or know someone who can get them an apprenticeship for a good paying union job. Let's get real, the US government wants our grandkids to join the military so they can prolong the collapse of the US empire by starting WWIII. History tells us what's coming.

I'm not talking about a four year degree. Again, you haven't read my post. Go make your own job. You don't need apprenticeship either. The military is currently very picky about who can join. The US is not and never was an empire.

[Into the Night]

Yes. Sometimes I'm funny, other times I'm justifiably angry, but recently I've been enjoying JPP debate while self-medicating with some 21st century cannabis.

My avatar does say I'm damaged.

So you are on drugs. No wonder you don't make sense and can't seem to pay attention.