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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    The NRA is not a hate group. NRA is not 'gun bubbas'. Bigotry. The NRA does not define or redefine the 2nd amendment.



    This amendment discusses two inherent rights, both related, not one.

    1) The right of a State to defend itself...as a State. It does this by raising militias (or armies) made up of the people of that State.
    2) The right of the individual to defend himself and his interests. This is the right of the people.

    The 2nd amendment does not specify type of weapon, type of action, magazine, size, length of barrel, type or color of stock, size of ammunition, method of construction, length of blade, etc. It means ANY weapon.
    Wrong, the NRA is always “defining and redefining” the Second Amendment, review their literature, they offer NRA interpretations of everything

    Wrong again, your interpretation of “militia” is your interpretation of “militia,” also the interpretation of the NRA, remember those guys you said don’t define the Second Amendment. Fact, no Supreme Court in the history of the country has been able to define what the Founders meant by “militia,” even the Roberts Court, who in the Heller case simply skipped over it per Scalia’s influence

    And please, don’t return with your “natural rights” BS in return

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin Saké View Post
    Such a big defender, I should add, that this fellow would eliminate the 2nd in order to save it.
    He would eliminate the Constitution to 'save it'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Wrong, the NRA is always “defining and redefining” the Second Amendment,
    Nope. They never have.
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    review their literature, they offer NRA interpretations of everything
    Void argument fallacy. Provide an example.
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    Wrong again, your interpretation of “militia” is your interpretation of “militia,”
    Nope. A militia is an army raised from the citizens of a State.
    The federal militia is called the National Guard. Each State can also have a militia to defend that State. Washington, for example, has a current membership of 75 people in its militia (since it's not in active status).
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    also the interpretation of the NRA,
    The NRA doesn't redefine 'militia'. They hardly even mention them, since they are about the right of the individual, not the State.
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    remember those guys you said don’t define the Second Amendment.
    They don't.
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    Fact, no Supreme Court in the history of the country has been able to define what the Founders meant by “militia,”
    The Supreme Court has no authority to interpret or change the Constitution of the United States. See Article III of the Constitution of the United States.
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    even the Roberts Court, who in the Heller case simply skipped over it per Scalia’s influence
    Irrelevant. The Supreme Court has no authority to interpret or change the Constitution of the United States.
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    And please, don’t return with your “natural rights” BS in return
    I certainly will. The right of self defense is inherent. It does not come from a piece of paper or any court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin Saké View Post
    Such a big defender, I should add, that this fellow would eliminate the 2nd in order to save it.
    Under the circumstances, so would our founding fathers , if they knew that the massive buildup of Guns and ammo was being taking in by a group that just tried to destroy our democracy and country to force in a piece of shit for a dictator , there would be no second. This group is this countries biggest threat and enemy and that really can't be argued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Wrong, the NRA is always “defining and redefining” the Second Amendment, review their literature, they offer NRA interpretations of everything

    Wrong again, your interpretation of “militia” is your interpretation of “militia,” also the interpretation of the NRA, remember those guys you said don’t define the Second Amendment. Fact, no Supreme Court in the history of the country has been able to define what the Founders meant by “militia,” even the Roberts Court, who in the Heller case simply skipped over it per Scalia’s influence

    And please, don’t return with your “natural rights” BS in return
    The problem is the group of traitors that are buying all the guns. We just watched them at their best trying to destroy this country and democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    I'm a big supporter of the second amendment but if that amendment is defined by this hate group they call a party or the NRA, we would be a lot better off not having the second Amendment. There is no way in hell that the NRA and Gun Bubbas perception and opinion of the second was even close to why our forefathers put in the 2nd in the constitution. In fact if they knew how it would be misinterpreted by these brain dead, they would apose the 2nd themselves.
    we're open to a variety of tactics. what do you have in mind to preserve our constitutional right to keep and bare arms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    I'm a big supporter of the second amendment but if that amendment is defined by this hate group they call a party or the NRA, we would be a lot better off not having the second Amendment. There is no way in hell that the NRA and Gun Bubbas perception and opinion of the second was even close to why our forefathers put in the 2nd in the constitution. In fact if they knew how it would be misinterpreted by these brain dead, they would apose the 2nd themselves.
    You are a liar. You are not a supporter of the 2nd. Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Wrong, the NRA is always “defining and redefining” the Second Amendment, review their literature, they offer NRA interpretations of everything

    Wrong again, your interpretation of “militia” is your interpretation of “militia,” also the interpretation of the NRA, remember those guys you said don’t define the Second Amendment. Fact, no Supreme Court in the history of the country has been able to define what the Founders meant by “militia,” even the Roberts Court, who in the Heller case simply skipped over it per Scalia’s influence

    And please, don’t return with your “natural rights” BS in return
    And you're a member and can say this? Otherwise, it's nothing more than ignorant speculation. Nothing new for you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Under the circumstances, so would our founding fathers , if they knew that the massive buildup of Guns and ammo was being taking in by a group that just tried to destroy our democracy and country to force in a piece of shit for a dictator , there would be no second. This group is this countries biggest threat and enemy and that really can't be argued.
    Like the guns and ammo they themselves illegally stockpiled at Concord in 1775?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin Saké View Post
    Like the guns and ammo they themselves illegally stockpiled at Concord in 1775?
    Big fucking difference they were patriots and these gun Bubbas now are traitors to this country who tried to destroy our democracy and country to force in a pile of shit called Trump as a dictator. , BIB BIG DIFFERENCE. They created this country and our Republic ,you gun Bubbas tried to destroy this Democracy and country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Big fucking difference they were patriots and these gun Bubbas now are traitors to this country who tried to destroy our democracy and country to force in a pile of shit called Trump as a dictator. , BIB BIG DIFFERENCE. They created this country and our Republic ,you gun Bubbas tried to destroy this Democracy and country.
    Yet none used their guns, did they?
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Big fucking difference they were patriots and these gun Bubbas now are traitors to this country who tried to destroy our democracy and country to force in a pile of shit called Trump as a dictator. , BIB BIG DIFFERENCE. They created this country and our Republic ,you gun Bubbas tried to destroy this Democracy and country.
    Carrying a gun is not being a traitor.
    The United States never was a democracy. It was organized as a federated republic. Democracies have no constitutions, no elected leaders, etc. Democracy is government by popular vote. A government by constitution is called a republic.
    Trump is not a dictator and never was.
    It is Democrats that do not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor any State constitution.
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