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    Default By far the biggest threat to the 2nd is right wingers with the NRA leading the pack.

    I'm a big supporter of the second amendment but if that amendment is defined by this hate group they call a party or the NRA, we would be a lot better off not having the second Amendment. There is no way in hell that the NRA and Gun Bubbas perception and opinion of the second was even close to why our forefathers put in the 2nd in the constitution. In fact if they knew how it would be misinterpreted by these brain dead, they would apose the 2nd themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    I'm a big supporter of the second amendment but if that amendment is defined by this hate group they call a party or the NRA, we would be a lot better off not having the second Amendment. There is no way in hell that the NRA and Gun Bubbas perception and opinion of the second was even close to why our forefathers put in the 2nd in the constitution. In fact if they knew how it would be misinterpreted by these brain dead, they would apose the 2nd themselves.

    The 2nd amendment is deeply flawed and our nation would be better without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    I'm a big supporter of the second amendment but if that amendment is defined by this hate group they call a party or the NRA, we would be a lot better off not having the second Amendment. There is no way in hell that the NRA and Gun Bubbas perception and opinion of the second was even close to why our forefathers put in the 2nd in the constitution. In fact if they knew how it would be misinterpreted by these brain dead, they would apose the 2nd themselves.
    The NRA is not a hate group. NRA is not 'gun bubbas'. Bigotry. The NRA does not define or redefine the 2nd amendment.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    This amendment discusses two inherent rights, both related, not one.

    1) The right of a State to defend itself...as a State. It does this by raising militias (or armies) made up of the people of that State.
    2) The right of the individual to defend himself and his interests. This is the right of the people.

    The 2nd amendment does not specify type of weapon, type of action, magazine, size, length of barrel, type or color of stock, size of ammunition, method of construction, length of blade, etc. It means ANY weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    The 2nd amendment is deeply flawed and our nation would be better without it.
    Since the rights discussed in the 2nd amendment are inherent, you cannot just ignore it. You simply do not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor the constitution of any State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    I'm a big supporter of the second amendment but if that amendment is defined by this hate group they call a party or the NRA, we would be a lot better off not having the second Amendment. There is no way in hell that the NRA and Gun Bubbas perception and opinion of the second was even close to why our forefathers put in the 2nd in the constitution. In fact if they knew how it would be misinterpreted by these brain dead, they would apose the 2nd themselves.
    Such a big defender, I should add, that this fellow would eliminate the 2nd in order to save it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin Saké View Post
    I am a worthless hate troll.
    Fuck you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    The 2nd amendment is deeply flawed and our nation would be better without it.
    Why? There are many nations that have very strict gun control yet experience massive crime, social unrest, and even gun violence. Look at Mexico. Mexico gun laws are very restrictive and it is very difficult for a citizen to legally own a firearm, particularly a pistol. Yet, Mexico is overrun with gun violence and criminal activity. So, how would the US benefit from not having a 2nd Amendment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Why? There are many nations that have very strict gun control yet experience massive crime, social unMerest, and even gun violence. Look at Mexico. Mexico gun laws are very restrictive and it is very difficult for a citizen to legally own a firearm, particularly a pistol. Yet, Mexico is overrun with gun violence and criminal activity. So, how would the US benefit from not having a 2nd Amendment?
    Mexico is a failed state. Corrupt. Nothing like the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Mexico is a failed state. Corrupt. Nothing like the US.
    Maybe without the 2nd Amendment we'd be like Mexico...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Maybe without the 2nd Amendment we'd be like Mexico...
    The drug gangs have lots of weapon. Like I said, Mexico has nothing in common with the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    The drug gangs have lots of weapon. Like I said, Mexico has nothing in common with the US.
    And, where'd they get those since they didn't buy them in Mexico. The point to that is, regardless of Mexico's strong gun laws criminals have acquired lots of firearms they need to carry out their crimes with.
    Thus, the abolition of the Second Amendment would do little or nothing for the US in terms of crime. Criminals would still be armed while the law abiding citizenry would be disarmed. How does that make anything better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    And, where'd they get those since they didn't buy them in Mexico. The point to that is, regardless of Mexico's strong gun laws criminals have acquired lots of firearms they need to carry out their crimes with.
    Thus, the abolition of the Second Amendment would do little or nothing for the US in terms of crime. Criminals would still be armed while the law abiding citizenry would be disarmed. How does that make anything better?

    Disagree with everything you said. No need to repeat it, we do not agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Disagree with everything you said. No need to repeat it, we do not agree.
    Okay, but note the difference. You never gave a scintilla of evidence to support your position, while I did. So, while you can hold the position on the Second you do, your lack of persuasive support for it doesn't bode well for your convincing anyone else to accept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Okay, but note the difference. You never gave a scintilla of evidence to support your position, while I did. So, while you can hold the position on the Second you do, your lack of persuasive support for it doesn't bode well for your convincing anyone else to accept it.
    I never for a moment tried to persuade you of anything. Truly.

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