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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    If we are going to make unwinding ownership a standard part of reparations, social justice, then we are making a world of hurt for ourself. This is pure insanity, the spreading of chaos, either because we dont know where that train goes or we dont care or we want that Hell for ourselves and our kids and our grandkids.

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    A couple of questions. Do you believe the government should just be able to take land from someone? Do you believe that if the gov't does take land from someone that they should pay fair market value? And finally if the gov't took land from someone but didn't pay fair market rate (screwed the land owners) should that family be able to remedy it?

    These questions have nothing to do with a person's race or political leanings. These are questions of beliefs/principles.

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    I suspect that it will go on the real estate market PDQ for two reasons:

    1. It's worth tens of millions--at least. That's the good news.
    2. The property taxes in California will force it to be sold as it's unlikely the family can pay them. That's the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    A couple of questions. Do you believe the government should just be able to take land from someone? Do you believe that if the gov't does take land from someone that they should pay fair market value? And finally if the gov't took land from someone but didn't pay fair market rate (screwed the land owners) should that family be able to remedy it?

    These questions have nothing to do with a person's race or political leanings. These are questions of beliefs/principles.
    If we are going to unwind ownership transfers that happened about 100 years ago then we are insane, so none of your questions matter re this thread but:

    I am a socialist, the health welfare and advancement of the collective is always going to be front and center in my evaluation of ideas and events. I am also Zen so the sovereignty of the individual is sacrosanct. Individuals are all connected in ways that we are often now aware of and often deny. The interface between the individual and the collective is always complicated and is often out of kilter. Lastly if the individuals are not well developed and healthy then the collective will not be either, and vis-versa.

    Which is to say that I could pretty much write a book around the questions you pose...

    But:

    Do you believe the government should just be able to take land from someone?
    In extreme situations yes, I do believe in say the nationalization of industries with no compensation in an emergency, though normally I would demand fair compensation.

    Do you believe that if the gov't does take land from someone that they should pay fair market value?
    In most cases.

    And finally if the gov't took land from someone but didn't pay fair market rate (screwed the land owners) should that family be able to remedy it?
    We cant constantly be relitigating disputes, no society could ever have the bandwidth for that, so disputes must be submitted to the justice system in a timely manner. The results of that system must be respected even if they were clearly wrong at some point, because to not invites chaos, which has the power to end us. Statutes of limitations were always a good idea, I would demand that all rights to dispute values in eminent domain must expire after a few years...."Speak now, or forever hold your peace".
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    What the fuck?


    Are you claiming black people are secretly racist against black people




    Oh yeah


    I forgot to take into consideration your racist brain condition


    When a racist like you imagined liberals you see white people in your minds eye


    It’s a reflection of the condition you suffer from


    You don’t see black people as a part of any group except other black people


    Now let me help you

    When you imagine ideas you don’t like be sure to imagine the whole range of human faces


    Historians ......... the whole rainbow of the worlds human faces


    Mathematicians ......... every color of the human face that exists on earth





    Scientists......... all shapes and hues the face of mankind can produce


    Yes there are human minds that don’t operate strictly on a racist limited basis


    Now try again
    now you're just being silly.....I said lib'ruls not blacks....but while you bring it up, we've recently seen blacks being racist about asians.....and we all know blacks can be racists regarding whites and hispanics.....

    however the racism I was referring to was lib'ruls hating on blacks.....
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    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    If we are going to unwind ownership transfers that happened about 100 years ago then we are insane, so none of your questions matter re this thread but:

    I am a socialist, the health welfare and advancement of the collective is always going to be front and center in my evaluation of ideas and events. I am also Zen so the sovereignty of the individual is sacrosanct. Individuals are all connected in ways that we are often now aware of and often deny. The interface between the individual and the collective is always complicated and is often out of kilter. Lastly if the individuals are not well developed and healthy then the collective will not be either, and vis-versa.

    Which is to say that I could pretty much write a book around the questions you pose...

    But:

    In extreme situations yes, I do believe in say the nationalization of industries with no compensation in an emergency, though normally I would demand fair compensation.

    In most cases.

    We cant constantly be relitigating disputes, no society could ever have the bandwidth for that, so disputes must be submitted to the justice system in a timely manner. The results of that system must be respected even if they were clearly wrong at some point, because to not invites chaos, which has the power to end us. Statutes of limitations were always a good idea, I would demand that all rights to dispute values in eminent domain must expire after a few years...."Speak now, or forever hold your peace".
    In this case, the family kept a detailed record of the transaction and had reasonable grounds to sue. This isn't the case with most land transfers that happened a century or more ago.

    There are some other weird ones like the Canola land grant in Arizona. It is one that predates the Mexican-American War and was upheld as legal afterwards giving the family the land without being taxed as they owned it pre-US. So, the Left claiming every minority got screwed by the US government / Whites is a bunch of BS.

    http://www.oldpueblo.org/wp-content/...ional%20border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    In this case, the family kept a detailed record of the transaction and had reasonable grounds to sue. This isn't the case with most land transfers that happened a century or more ago.
    Does not matter to me....We cant go back and fix what we believe were the errors our ancestors made without in the end causing more problems than we solve....without moving ourselves in reverse.....this is the nature of reality.

    What we suffer from currently is too much UTOPIAN thinking, too much faith in this project of perfecting man.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    In this case, the family kept a detailed record of the transaction and had reasonable grounds to sue. This isn't the case with most land transfers that happened a century or more ago.

    There are some other weird ones like the Canola land grant in Arizona. It is one that predates the Mexican-American War and was upheld as legal afterwards giving the family the land without being taxed as they owned it pre-US. So, the Left claiming every minority got screwed by the US government / Whites is a bunch of BS.

    http://www.oldpueblo.org/wp-content/...ional%20border.
    It’s possible there’s some Pandora’s Box that could be opened that I’m not fully thinking through, but on the merits I’m with you that in this specific case this family was wronged and done what was right to rectify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    If we are going to make unwinding ownership a standard part of reparations, social justice, then we are making a world of hurt for ourself. This is pure insanity, the spreading of chaos, either because we dont know where that train goes or we dont care or we want that Hell for ourselves and our kids and our grandkids.

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    This is certainly problematic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    If we are going to unwind ownership transfers that happened about 100 years ago then we are insane, so none of your questions matter re this thread but:

    I am a socialist, the health welfare and advancement of the collective is always going to be front and center in my evaluation of ideas and events. I am also Zen so the sovereignty of the individual is sacrosanct. Individuals are all connected in ways that we are often now aware of and often deny. The interface between the individual and the collective is always complicated and is often out of kilter. Lastly if the individuals are not well developed and healthy then the collective will not be either, and vis-versa.

    Which is to say that I could pretty much write a book around the questions you pose...

    But:

    In extreme situations yes, I do believe in say the nationalization of industries with no compensation in an emergency, though normally I would demand fair compensation.

    In most cases.

    We cant constantly be relitigating disputes, no society could ever have the bandwidth for that, so disputes must be submitted to the justice system in a timely manner. The results of that system must be respected even if they were clearly wrong at some point, because to not invites chaos, which has the power to end us. Statutes of limitations were always a good idea, I would demand that all rights to dispute values in eminent domain must expire after a few years...."Speak now, or forever hold your peace".
    DemoKKKrats: The dangerous fascist psychopaths Orwell warned us about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War=Peace View Post
    This is certainly problematic...
    We fail to concentrate on the important things, in fact we now mostly fail to ever learn what the important things are....and once we do see that something is wrong rarely do we ever fix the problem, often we barely try.

    This stuff that comes from the Regressive Left is almost all either lies or insanity, they sure as fuck dont care much or at all about the truth....they even admit it!

    America is going down....HARD.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    We fail to concentrate on the important things, in fact we now mostly fail to ever learn what the important things are....and once we do see that something is wrong rarely do we ever fix the problem, often we barely try.

    This stuff that comes from the Regressive Left is almost all either lies or insanity, they sure as fuck dont care much or at all about the truth....they even admit it!

    America is going down....HARD.
    In this instance, it DOES appear to be a rare instance of liberal conduct to some extent influenced by the left.

    Generally speaking, however, confusing the left with liberals is like confusing the rape victim with the rapist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War=Peace View Post
    In this instance, it DOES appear to be a rare instance of liberal conduct to some extent influenced by the left.

    Generally speaking, however, confusing the left with liberals is like confusing the rape victim with the rapist.



    Yes, and those of us who have been trying to help people understand this dont seem to be getting very far. The only chance of saving America from this Regressive Left Revolution is if the last of the liberals band together with the Conservatives and anyone else who can be found to put down this illiberal revolution as a massive force of rebellion. And it would have to be massive, the Revolution has taken all of the power centers.....this is all but over already.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Leave it to Californians to not understand the definition of the word beach.

    Or was this intended to be another lie?
    It's unsurprising that's all you understood out of the story.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    That didn’t ttanslate well from Russian to English
    Just because a person is a paranoid schizophrenic doesn't make them Russian. Just nuts.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
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    Yes, and those of us who have been trying to help people understand this dont seem to be getting very far. The only chance of saving America from this Regressive Left Revolution is if the last of the liberals band together with the Conservatives and anyone else who can be found to put down this illiberal revolution as a massive force of rebellion. And it would have to be massive, the Revolution has taken all of the power centers.....this is all but over already.
    Liberals: Deranged Brownshirts who hate the left

    The left: Tiny and powerless group despised & endangered by liberals
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