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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Always fun to consider alternative history.

    I believe by the late 1940s, the Communist Party of the USSR had such an Iron grip on Soviet Russia, that even taking Stalin out by assassination or military attack would not have caused communist authority to evaporate.

    Then there is the rally around the flag effect. If it was clear USA attacked Russia, killed its leadership, and vaporized millions of innocent civilians in Moscow, the energies of the Soviet nation probably would have been driven towards retribution against USA, not in fighting another large scale civil war on Soviet territory.
    Tough to say since Stalin was what held the Party together, most of whom would have perished in a nuclear attack along with all the centralized features of a totalitarian socialist government.

    Look at what happened when the Soviet Union did collapse. They spent more time fighting each other than anyone else. Look at how multiple states declared independence and were willing to fight for it. The entire region would devolve into something like the Balkans conflicts of the early 90s. Poland, and the other conquered nations would have freed themselves. The US presence would mainly be at the United Nations.

    Without the USSR to prop it up, what would have happened in China?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The Cold War had little to do with Communism and was about Soviet expansionism.
    No. Many nations around the world tried to choose Communism of their own volition
    and the United States either violently stopped them or tried to stop them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    No. Many nations around the world tried to choose Communism of their own volition
    and the United States either violently stopped them or tried to stop them.
    That's the Stalin and Mao line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    That's the Stalin and Mao line.
    Also the truth.
    I was there, forced to be part of it.
    Were you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Also the truth.
    I was there, forced to be part of it.
    Were you?
    I'd want to take a look at the specifics of what you are declaring. It's like the lying assholes who say socialism works then point at Sweden, which is not a socialist nation or those who whine about "gun violence" while hiding the fact 2/3s of those deaths are suicides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I'd want to take a look at the specifics of what you are declaring. It's like the lying assholes who say socialism works then point at Sweden, which is not a socialist nation.
    If you refuse to speak English, we have a problem communicating.
    Both Sweden and your Netherlands ARE Socialist nations using the connotation that American democratic socialists use.
    If you don't think that they're socialist nations, why do you scream "socialism' whenever we try to adopt their superior methods? Who's the lying asshole, Oom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    If you refuse to speak English, we have a problem communicating.
    Both Sweden and your Netherlands ARE Socialist nations using the connotation that American democratic socialists use.
    If you don't think that they're socialist nations, why do you scream "socialism' whenever we try to adopt their superior methods? Who's the lying asshole, Oom?
    QED. LOL Oh, neef. You're so silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    QED. LOL Oh, neef. You're so silly.
    You obviously couldn't answer my question about why you scream "socialism" for emulating "non-socialist" nations.

    Logic is a bitch to lying assholes, Oom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    You obviously couldn't answer my question about why you scream "socialism" for emulating "non-socialist" nations.

    Logic is a bitch to lying assholes, Oom.
    Dude, socialism doesn't work as a national economy. That's why it's silly to see die-hard socialists say I'm wrong and then point at Sweden.

    That fact you are so angry, neef, is also funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Dude, socialism doesn't work as a national economy. That's why it's silly to see die-hard socialists say I'm wrong and then point at Sweden.

    That fact you are so angry, neef, is also funny.
    Did you get your GED from an Evangelical Christian School, Oom?

    Socialism and capitalism run concurrently in EVERY economy. It's where one chooses to draw the line.
    When you cry out "socialism" for attempting to emulate nations that you call "non-socialist,"
    you're then obviously talking out of your ass and nobody needs to hear, see, or smell it.

    I'm not angry. I'm a little hungry, perhaps, having had a light lunch, but I'm not going to let this absurd "conversation" ruin my appetite.

    I've got two hours to drink first, thankfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    No. Many nations around the world tried to choose Communism of their own volition
    and the United States either violently stopped them or tried to stop them.
    Much of that was part of Soviet expansion. It was a natural strategy to seek a buffer zone from the west after being invaded several times (a strategy unrelated to communism).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Did you get your GED from an Evangelical Christian School, Oom?
    No, but thanks for the angry thoughts. LOL
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